Agriculture is a business. Farming without a financial motive is gardening.

[JDGreen]

Wow burbert whatever meds your doctor put you on are working.. U actually made some sense in that post

[oneoff]

Its a way to easy to get the last word on this site. You get the feeling that very few (or no one) is listening; let alone disagreeing or adding to the debate. There is nothing worse than participating when you are really being marginalized or perhaps being laughed at or treated with disdain. Those aren't good enough reasons to take time to make a contribution.

[parsley]

It's both a market access issue and a food safety issue. And you know it is.

It is both because:
1. We've observed 27 countries give us the market access finger. You want more of the same? And people ARE interested in what they eat burbert, even if YOU are not.

Not very long ago, most families were not that up to speed on global financial matters,either, but now every pub is discussing money and credit and idiots who brought us to this point, including ourselves.

And food safety will be right up there in the discussions too. Very soon. Third world country bodies are much heathier than affluent G8 pigs at the trough eating food with chemical genes inserted in it. Munch. Munch.

Honestly. How stupid can we get? So we can grow yet more and flood the market with the already bugeoning bins multiplied by two. For what?

A few folks will make money, that's great planning and manipulating for the lucky ducky who want to cash in a moment of time, but the potential gene crossing and stacking risks, in the fields, on our farms, is so bloody stupid, it's hard for many to to debate it without disdain.

"Oh, ya, George, I just can't wait to eat another wheat resistant to this new chemical called Butplug. so I'm gonna grind up a batch on Saturday night, are ya comin over?"

Scientists know very little about how the parts that make up what we call food, fit together.

Scientists don't even know what the brain does/works.

In the scheme of things, humans think themselves clever, but we don't have a clue. Cleverness and intelligence are not the same, as someone once told me.

If we want to grow food for the world, and actually sell it, we'd better make sure we grow what they will eat.

And 27 countries have told you they don't want the Saskatchewan Crop Deveopment Centre's creation called Triffid flax. Don't want. Reject. Protest. ^(finger)

What part of that equation do you not understand?

Pars

[parsley]

And oneoff makes the point about cross-pollination, and his/her posing it should lead you to this question:

If Triffid is flourishing in every flax field...is it because it cross-pollinated and the scientist are incompetent/or liars, or is it because the seed growers are incompetent/ cheaters who multiplied it on the sly?

Take your pick, cowboys.

Either way.....apply your answer to the next modified crop lurking around spring's corner.

Makes you filled with confidence doesn't it.


Pars

[oneoff]

Its the ruination of alternate methods methods of farm production; organic production in particular (which I guess could be considered as close to traditional farming using "modern methods" as you will commonly see) and also farm production using conventional chemicals (but resisting the onslaught of GM traits in their seed varieties).

[oneoff]

Or we can all rationalize the situation and be common cheaters (and live with lying to ourselves )and also take the risk of the chance of getting caught at the level of the current test sensitivities.
In all cases our food supply will have a little bit of everything in anything.

[parsley]

Ye, it will decimate organic farming in Canada if this continues.

But, the foodies who buy organic food have plenty money to buy any kind of food from any country. Organics was originally laughed at, you know that full well, so is not about style. It's always been about food safty.

There are a group of people who actually don't like the genes in their food laced with little surprises. Or unintended consequences. Many of these people are rich and educated. Many who worked in the biotech field bought food from our market barn on the farm. Yes, they did.

You see, it's about food safety, and as I said before, Canada has trashed their credibility. Starting with the governments, (CFIA and BSE, where was the apology from them?; or is Cameron Pallet's class action the last resort?), the universities (Foundation seed from Saskatoon's Crop Development Centre has been corrupted ages ago, but where is the apology or warning to farmers?)and seed growers themselves, who, at this point should have a press release sent out to conventional farmers at the very very very least.

Understand this: Too many people filling the chairs who are making the decisions about food safety in Canada simply don't give one tinker's damn about YOU or YOUR FAMILY or YOUR FARMS.They are not decent. They maybe wear a suit and get a per diem but they are not decent.

They are supported in high style by soley profit grabbers, fly by nighters who disappear into the incorporation-woodwork every time a bad choice bites them ion the ass, and the only thing they are interested in is covering their own asses.


They need to be accountabile and take responsibility for their actions. Theses people have cost Western Canada BILLIONS in flax alone if you consider future lost sales yet to be revealed.

The present people filling leadership chairs are not worthy of the average farmers' trust.

Contaminated breeder seed at the University for heaven's sakes....... Are they so stupid they didn't know? Hardly. Or did they hide the information. When Syngenta sent contaminated breeder seed to Europe several years ago, they were forced to pay a fine.

The Europens realized instantly, if Canadian BREEDER SEED was flawed, the science had to be flawed.

The science. Too much biotech science doesn't follow scientific rules. The science of cross pollination, oneoff highlighted.

The U of S/ Syngenta got caught.

That's why Europe put up a red flag. They knew they were dealing with either dummies or the devious. I say both. I say they are people who don't even realize that Nature can outsmart them every time.

The University of Saskatchewan has corrupt breeder seed because they follow corrupted protocol because they have managers who follow corrupt science, when I look at it with a farmer's eye. Farmers should and can call a spade a spade

And food will become corrupted so it is not safe. If you are so so naive as to think Canadians will be informed of unintended consequences or of dangerous test results, go get a "thinking alignment" because you have walked once too often, waist high in your freshly sprayed fields

I don't care what you concoct in biotech kitchers for industrial use.

But for food?

No.

Pars

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert

Why would I want to buy food from you....?

Are you not proud of what and how you grow food... tell the story about why you grow their food... and the history of your farm?

Those who break this communication barrier... will change the way food is marketed... and the internet is the media to allow this to happen!