Denying Science- Lecture

[Fransisco]

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[Fransisco]

It's about 15 minutes long. The guy makes some good points.

[hobbyfrmr]

That is an excellent viewpoint. I am not against conventional farming etc. I am just not doing it. I dont like the price of convnetional grain in the world. I am sure Ted is aware of the fact that the US has an "abundance" of corn, the world has a "glut" of wheat, prices are half of last year, and some producers have 2 year old durum invetory. Last I checked, conventionally grown durum has excellent nutrition and there are still people dying of starvation in the world. Trying to solve a politically motivated starvation crisis in the world with agronomic solutions is sadly futile. I am not saying it is impossible, I am just lazy and want enough money to keep farming. I a farmer thinks he is "feeding the world" and it makes him feel good, then thats excellent. Motivation to continue farming is important, there has to be a purpose for what we (everyone)do.
A sideline to all this, I watched some documentary one night I think it was called "photographers of war" it was extremely graphic and I found it very very disturbing what people can do to each other. I still think we are fortunate in North America compared to some areas in the world.

[Wheatking]

"You are not entitled to your own facts" Love it

[parsley]

Don't you just love the way Teddy underscored his 'causation and correlation' warning:

"Science-----sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't."

Yes, well. Did you miss that one fran?

How many AVers took your vits this morning?

Teddy mocks brown urine, right?

But then he turns around and claims that rice should have Vitamion A genes inserted into it, and he also says because cassava doesn't have essential nutrients, and that cassava should be gentically modified to include include genes? Huh?

Brown urine.

Oh my. He says he's a journalist. He certainly doesn't reason like a scientist.

In the meantime, don't tell your daughter to stop taking folic acid, for example, if she's planning to have a baby. There's a bit more to vitamin supplements than brown urine comments taken from the scientific bible of Ted which would be prob be gleeful to overlook "cleft-palate"....the condition fully preventable by the addition of foliate pills.


I enjoyed the comedy this morning. Pars

[parsley]

By the way, and you can quote me on this wheatking,

"I am entiltled to my own facts," says Parsley.

The guy who developed a severe allergy to the lead fillings in his mouth would agree with me.

The people who got sick from asbestos insulation in their bedrooms actually tabulated their own facts:
"I am swelling. Sneezing. Sick. Hives. Headaches. Nausea."

Some of the women who took birth control pills got uterine cancer. Their "facts" in their notebooks said, "weight loss, spotting, pain, lumps."

A word hustler said:
"Science...sometimes it workls, sometimes it doesn't"

Sometimes you just have to believe what you experience,...and believe your facts...

That's a fact. Pars

[Fransisco]

First off, the guys name is Micheal, not Ted.

Secondly, yes I heard him say "Science-----sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't." I also heard and agree with this definition, "Trying stuff out, seeing if it works, changing it when it doesn't..."

Sometimes the space shuttle falls out of the sky. Most of the time it doesn't.

Sometimes condoms break. Most of the time they don't.

Sometimes blood transfusions kill people. Most of the time they save people.

Etc,etc,etc...

Yes, sometimes bad stuff happens, but guess what even more bad stuff happens when you don't follow the scientific method. I guess some of us have just been cursed with the ability to do the math.

Science is a process, it's a method, and it's the best one we've got for figuring stuff out.

I also liked this quote "When you get proof, you have to accept it." and his autism vaccine example. It doesn't seem to matter how much proof there is there are people who just aren't going to accept anything but their own superstitions.

BTW- when someone says "you're not entitled to your own facts" what they're talking about are things that are completely unverifiable where you're just supposed to take someones word about it with zero evidence. So no, no one is entitled to their own "facts".

[parsley]

And when a Ted idea is so damn dumb it up and punches you in the lobal, you should be able backtrack. Thanks for agreeing that my facts are mine. Just don't forget to tell Ted to piss off.

Take hormone fed steers. Government approved, "zap zap, gun that rump one more time" (ya, ya, I know charliep totally trusts gov't testing, agrrrhhh)and scientific testing by pharmaceuticals so that beef consumers will be everlatingly assured they will not become estrogenic sopranos, I'm afraid I'm one of those dull lumps that prefers my tenderloin minus the estrogen.

Yes, yes, I know some Manitoba consumers want estrogen gened into their pasta-wheat. Do the same folks also lobby for one generic bathroom? Hmm. LOL LOL Pars

[Fransisco]

There's no such thing as hormone free beef.

[burnt]

Busy parsing words tonight, eh Fransisco?

[parsley]

You'll be more comfortable with "hormone-enriched" beef and pork? Language is soooooo important. LOL.

Wouldn't you prefer promoting/eating pork/beef that is gentically modified instead, with that little magic growth-hormone gene supplanting all the tedious menial work done in the pens zapping each hide?

Of course, you are completely, 100% satisfied/secure with the science? LOL Pars

[FarmRanger]

Facts are facts, fiction is fiction, and politics is
bull$/!&. Problems arise when people confuse
fiction and/or politics with facts. Most of the anti
GMO rhetoric I've heard is some combination of
fiction and politics, and very short on facts.

[parsley]

Two questions for you then, non-political, and within your comfort zone:

1. The nutrients you add to your soil....where do they come from? (Not considering Nitrogen of course which is in the air) And is that nutrient supply that farms depend upon, sustainable? Will phosphorous/selenium/etc ever be depleted, for example?

2. Dogs. Do you support genetically modifying dog breeding stock, by inserting a chemical gene that kills fleas, so that they don't have to wear a mite/flea/bug/lice collar? Just curious.

[FarmRanger]

1. The nutrients you add to your soil....where do they come from? And is that nutrient supply that farms depend upon, sustainable?

Those nutrients are being mined somewhere else, and this is not sustainable. Eventually we are going to have to start recycling nutrients. This will happen when the cheap sources run out.
 
2. Dogs. Do you support genetically modifying dog breeding stock?

Sure, why not? As long as there is due diligence to ensure those modifications aren't harmful in other ways. The key is due diligence, which should always be a part of good science.

[Fransisco]

Yes, I am 100% comfortable with trying stuff out, seeing if it works, and changing it when it doesn't. As opposed to not trying anything, not caring if it works, and not ever changing anything no matter what.