Dear CWB, Take me to Jail!

[parsley]

The real issue has never been and never will be about whether or not the Board gets you .38 cents more or .41 cents more, and you know it.

If you want a marketing agency to realize the .41 cents, go for it.

Just make sure it's a voluntary agency.

And make sure YOU don't go crawling to ANY government...provincial, federal or world government, to try and make your big dream mandatory, through the use of regulatory force either.


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The REAL issue is about forcing people. Forcing all farmers to sell to a government CWB body through the use of regulatory force. CWB forcing farmers to surrender their property to the state.



Or jail.
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It's not quite so appealing when you x-ray the bare bones in black and white, is it.

How anyone can promote this idea that an individual's property or any company's manufactured property ....whether it be machinery or art or furniture or appliances or wheat........ is reprehensible to me.
Pars

[stubblejumper]

the real issue is that some ( farmers for just me) would stab their neighbor in the back rather than cooperate and get better prices.

[kryger]

Sawfly, how do you figure the CWB made us $4 pr bushel two years ago. I think they lost us $4 per bushel. I sold a lot of Wheat on a BPC for over $14 per bushel.
If memory serves, the final payment was around $9 per bushel.
All farmers can sell just like the Board, they average the bushels over 18 months, starting in Feb. for the 10/11 crop year. Nothing magical, they are not any smarter than a fifth grader, they just average it out over 18 months.
They do not get any premiums, at least I have not seen any for the 30 years I have been keeping track. Maybe it all goes back to the Gov't or for their $1000 bonuses for stress, but we as farmers don't see it.

[Burbert]

Total farmer control of the CWB, is the first step, that has to be taken, to make the agency real. Likely the government will want concessions to make this possible. Butt ifn we wants to grow and get good at marketin, we've gotta learn to be hard barginers, just like the yankee traders we have all heard and read about. Fer example we got the oil and the fresh water, lets use these levers and doooooo something with it to help Kanada's future. This is gonna be tough though, cause most Kandian trade guys/girls can't pour piss outta a boot, let alone getta a good deal anywhere. Look at the fools who've given us away at NFTA AND THE WHO. Duh we got nothin real in return fer concessions............

[hlg]

Pars This is Canada,the land of crown corps,medicare,free highways,mandatory insurance and other progams that we take for granted, but have to belong to. If the CWB is so bad grow non board crops or get elected to it. Change it from within. The open market system to our south has more government support available then most countries GDP. A worldwide free market would be great, but only if EVERYONE had to play by the same rules and we all know that will never happen.

[bucket]

My problem with all of this - is that I can't market wheat and durum like I do with peas, flax, canola, lentils.

If I see a good price for lentils for fall delivery I can take the price. Durum in feb09 PRO had a good price but I could not lock in a good price. I grew it based on the pro and by the time I was combining it was in the tank. Meanwhile the US farmer locked in a 7 dollar crop.

Does this mean I get the top price - NO - but it means I get a price that works for my farm. Without some pee-on in winnipeg telling me they are doing a great job losing my farm money.

[cityguy]

I wonder what sort of carryout Canadian farmers would "choose" if we had a free market here. CWB forces the choice on you year in/year out and this year the Canadian wheat carry out (excluding the durum - different thread) will be in the 4 to 5 million tonne range versus production of about 21 million, or about 20-25%. In the US they carry over about 50% of production and next year it could be an even higher percentage. If Canadian farmers had an open market in wheat would they also carry over about half of their production this year and next?

[parsley]

Take your PICK stubble and AV'ers:


#ONE STUBBLEJUMPER "the real issue is that some ( farmers for just me) would stab their neighbor in the back rather than cooperate and get better prices"


#TWO PARSLEY

"the real issue is that some (farmers for just me) would not jail their neighbor through forced cooperatation for the mere purpose of getting better prices"


Let farmers choose. Or would you also prevent choosing, stubble? Pars

[parsley]

hlg,

"If the CWB is so bad grow non board crops or get elected to it. Change it from within."

You expressed more than you realize. You showed us who you are.

Few free market advocates believe in decrying to marketing board advocates, "Don't grow canola" It's just plain wrong.

But you are. Shame on you.

Farmers should be able to choose to grow whatever the hell they want. Your farm changes every day. And you know your farm best. The people who farm your land change. Your up and coming sons should be able to pick any crop he selects on a whim, or in a drought dream, or learns about from a Cargill ag rep, .......and grow it. That is what farming life should be.

What kind of a step-in-line farm world do you vision? Do you have any idea of what kind of agricultural life we enjoy, where we are able to choose what we grow and how much we grow, and how fragile that system is?

As for meaningful change...only the government can make legislative changes. Suggestive tinkering only ends up in the Government's backroom office, anyhow, with some twenty year old student drone deciding which pile to file it in, with the only decision made that because you sent your tinker on pink paper, the department will now incorporate pink paper filers and train them. That's what a government instructed institution such as the CWB does to stupid-assed FARMER-marks. We've had over sixty years of it.

Q Have you learned anything?
A Yes. Most of you grow mainly canola or lentils or peas or flax. Pars

[wmoebis]

What would the carry over be in the US. if there was NO loan rate? What would the price be?

The Gov't of Canada has made it clear that they will not play by the same rules as the US or EU. If the US took away the loan rate would the producers there conitue to sell at what ever companies were offering or would they carry over higher stocks waiting for higher price. We also have that option if we don't like inital signals at sign up time we don't have to sign up. We can fallow De Putters advise and drop it in the feed market and empty our bins. If we don't like the bids offered for lentils we don't have to sign contracts but there is always some who will sign and keep price low. If nobody would sign contracts for less than 45cents the marketers would have to go find it but they know we are price takers and tell us what we will get. Not only board grains.

Canada can not or will not change the rules. It is time for the Gov't of Canada to get some balls and step up to the plate and give us a level playing field with the rest of the world. WITH OR WITHOUT THE CWB. In all commodities. Is .24 cents for lentils good enough when not long ago they were .47cents?

Highered and appointed officials, at all levels, have thier noses so far up the elected, that appointed them, that they have to go to the drycleaners to get thier ears out of thier back pockets. The drycleaners are in Ottawa and while they are there they all dance around doing the naked bunny hop scrambling to get to the front of the line without making waves and getting sent back down the line. Once they at the front they find out it wasn't sooo bad being at the back of the line.

[hlg]

Pars I enjoy our freedom to grow whatever I choose. If there was a yes or no vote tomorrow and the CWB won then what? Our present system has made some very wealthy farmers. People complaining about the price of wheat and $300,000 tractors in the same post hardly makes sense. As stated above maybe it`s time for farmers to actually run CWB.

[cottonpicken]

Not sure what part that i wrote was not true.

And not sure about why SWP and me are in the
same sentence.

You need an example of what sucsessful farmer
cooperation can acheive?

Pull your truck up to the weyburn inland terminal.

I dislike,more than anybody,people marketing my
grain.I can/have/will lay a lickin on
anyone/anywhere /anytime on the markets
battlefield.

But for the guys that cant/wont/dont do this a,
pooling system is a damn good idea in my opinion.

Just like the other cant/wont/dont jobs that come
up on a farm-a farmer calls for help when he cant
accomplish a certain task.

And NO farmer can accomplish every task that
comes his way on a modern farm.

So can anyone guess cotton's word of the day?

ME ME MEES,ELMOS KNOWS WORD..

Yes Elmo

THE WORD IS VOLUNTARY ....HEHEHEHEH