Agville survey

[freewheat]

I beleive alberta's unseeded payment is 75 bucks.

[wade]

Alberta Unseeded Acreage Benefit-

Level 1=$25
Level 2=$35 for cost of preparing land- cult.,harrowing,spraying,etc.
Level 3=$70 for preplant incorporation of fertilizers

[vvalk]

Snappy what would you rather have? Spend $200 to $225 to put an acre of wheat or durum or barley in. $225 / $4.50 per bushel = 50 bushels to break even or $225 / $4 = 56 bus or $200 / $3(in AB less in Sask) = 70 ish or do nothing all summer and receive $100. Also fixed costs can be mitigated a bit. Payments can be extended or if you are getting some custom instead of equip payments. Also $100 fixed payments are on the high side dont you think. Especially if you are only paying $500 an acre for land.

[vvalk]

I would rather have the first option.

Reason being. At that $200/acre your expenses are covered.

Sure you spun your wheels for nothing this year but none the less you DIDN'T go backwards.

Option 2. Take $100/acre and do nothing.

Every farm is different, but here are my numbers.

$45/acre land rent
$63/acre land payments
$11/acre land taxes on owned land.
$18/acre machinery payments.
$12/acre deprciation.
$8/acre living expenses(allows me a wage of $35000.00)

On our acres we would average $53/acre landrent/payments.
Land taxes work out to $4/acre as I rent more than I own.

53
4
18
12
8
=$95/acre

If your land and machinery is paid all the power to you.

If your under 35, and Dad isn't available.

This is your fate.

[vvalk]

lets not forget that this land in the future will produce up to twice the yield and you will make up a lot of lost ground. When we farm our lakes or sloughs the year after, the combine has to creep along. Also who ever said you cant go broke farming, its not up to the taxpayers to bail out every farm when they run into trouble.

[vvalk]

snappy. youare saying that you have $157 an acre into the crop before inputs and insurance?
Also I am not saying that some sort of payment shouldn't be made through insurance you have paid a premium into. what I am saying is that $100 is way too much and is what make urban taxpayer annoyed especially non ag business owners who do not have all these programs to fall back on

[freewheat]

Unavoidable costs, too wet to seed...

Land rent/payments average = 42

Three apps minimum glyph from airplane (can't spray from ground)= 15 plus 24 application or 39 bucks

Loss of 12 inches of black clay loam, several miles long and 10 feet wide in various runs = who knows?

Filling in erosion channels = 5

Filling in/fixing ruts = 2

Leached nutrients = 10

Blowing previously non- existant and extra beaver dams = .50

Broken cultivator frames, cylinders, and chains, hitches, etc. = 2

Chance of it not drying up for next year = priceless


Unavoidable costs, too dry to seed...

Land 42-55

Glyphosate 6 maybe

Erosion channels 0

Leached nutrient 0

Ruts 0

Beaver dams 0

Broken machinery 0

[freewheat]

How do you come up with $157??

VValk that's the point exactly. The non ag-buisiness you speak of......... Whether they want to admit or not, are affected by a weak ag sector, if they ***tion in western canada.