Agristability

[newguy]

I have always said cais can never work proper because most farmers have reduced risk themselves. Why does the government just get a copy of the US program and go with that.The US could not say we were using unfair programs . Oh yea and the CWB would have to go also. Another reason.

[newguy]

Hadenuf you are such a wingnut! No where in any of my comments did I say it was administration that caused the difference between 0 and 200. There are hundreds of reasons and that is just one of them. Land productivity, when you buy your inputs, what you use, how much you yield,how you market and how well you market. These are the biggest factors. If the gov't would design a program that provides your magical level of income you would be the best one at finding a way to fall under and get a payment. Between crop insureance, agriinvest, agristability, we have a base line guarantee. You just have not demonstrated profitability ever before and the way you talk its obvious. If its a multiyear weather issue I can sympathize. Doing what you are asking is the same as the US and europe and there program isn't working either.

[Hopperbin]

Saskfarmer99 I thought grain prices themselves was enough to trigger agristability payments in most cases. I did have another drop in income from my loss in poor canola crop. Burbert yes I am at the trough LOL. I am not compaining about gov't payments just poor accounting service, I hired them assholes to do the job and they take money up front before anything is done and I did give them a big chunk of cash so when I now talk to 3 assholes that don't know anything and don't get back to me what am I supposed to think, they could at least tell me that the people that know anything are on holidays, they don't even know enough to say that. I was just wondering if anyone got a payment yet. I must phone into agristability and now do the rest myself, that was not supposed to be my job, I hired someone to take care of this for me.

[skhadenuf]

Woooooooo!!!!! Those are scarey words from the government geek, must have hit a nerve there, Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Did that come out of the Geek handbook of insults, you must be on such a high now that you actually had balls to say something?
But please keep on talking,now you are saying there are thousands of variables that make up this "simple" program. That's exactly what most of the rest of us are saying,this program is trying to be so specific when it can't be and is actually bizarre to even attempt to call itself accurate, fair, or simple when there are thousands of variables to account for the end product.
Ask Freewheat about how these shit programs based on past averages gives you a base line. Yes when you are like yourself and had good weather for the past 10 years in a row your average is good but what happens now. If this turns into a three year crop loss which it may very well be we'll see who'll be whining.
As far as taking money like I said before if your so smart don't take the government subsidy, tax payer supported cais money do it on your own. I and I am sure freewheat and others are not asking for a windfall but rather a fair compensation to ride out this disaster, you with your no loss years will be recieving more money than your expenses so who is the greedy one?

[skhadenuf]

message above intended for sk99 not hopper delay in posting I guess.

[skhadenuf]

Wow, like I said a wingnut. Believe what u want about who I am, government geek, yeah whatever.

Like I said you can believe what you want, just like you think you can ever make your farm work.

I am sure you are the type that lives on child tax credit and gst because you do what you can to make your farm lose money.

Like you name suggests and my recomendation, get out. There's 22 bucks an hour on any farm out there, even hours if you have more than a pulse.

As far as returning our entitlement to the program, I never claimed to do it on my own and what we are entitled to we get.

If you are 3 years without the ability to seed a crop, then its not agristabilities fault either.

At least freewheat comes up with constructive comments after the blood pressure drops to a normal level.

[skhadenuf]

Yes hopper, a decline in prices will become part of it, yields, grade another, where you bought fertilizer (at the highest point like we did) will also impact it.

I think you need to start with someone who knows what they are talking about and the toll free lines are not the place.

We had some off grade canola in 2004 and you needed to send in evidence of the grade/price, sales receipts with the application to support this. That was our issue with our processing in 2005. The tickets are not always matched with the processing of the apication and why it sometimes takes 2 or 3 at bats to get your correct entitlement.

But then again, many of you claim that you cannot calculate this stuff...Until that changes, my guy will continue to get 1200 to do my application and I know its right.

For the rest that that just send it in, its like pissing in the wind, some always...

The administration is an issue I will agree 110%. A step in the right direction is provincial processing.

[checking]

Skhadenuf.

Just attempting to understand your position which stated is, " a simple program guaranteeing you a basic amount regardless."

Do you see any abuses that could come out of a system like that?

[cottonpicken]

Its like watching a line of commrads at the soup line
ups in stalingrad a la 1942.

Sask99 has spent enough time calculating how to get
the most potatoes,burbert loves how the line should
be more fair and equal,hopper wants somebody to
bring him his potatoes and free wheat just wants one
potatoe so he can get back to the front line to fight
and cottonpicken wants enough potatoes to make
moonshine lol just kidding good debate

[burnt]

sk99, how is agristablity supposed to help when prices have been in decline for 7 years straight, i.e. - cow calf operation?

In those 7 years of slowly but steadily declining income, we triggered ONE payout.

ONE payout which only covered slightly more than the previous 2 years progressive decline in annual income.

The loss of income since BSE (a fiasco which resulted from government mismanagement of imported cattle in the first place but that's another story) is over 3 times as high as the program payouts!

So, was BSE my fault? Oh wait, I guess we already established whose fault it was!!

[parsley]

and then there's the folks who hate lineups so they stay home and plant a whack of potatoes and make homemade soup and freeze and can enough to last the winter, eat potato pancakes every morning, and make a little vodka from the leftover potatoes, and sit back and take bets on how many are in the lineup each day, and life is good. Pars

[parsley]

Burnt I never ever claimed BSE was the producers fault and as a grain producer I support your ideas that something has to change.

I don't know what the solution is but I do know that Agristability was not designed for specific issues like BSE and for the multi year weather issues like Freewheat and Skhadeuf are claiming they are going through. I guess that's where the "agrirecovery" tier is supposed to be there but they have dragged their feet on what it means and where it flows funds.

You have to admit that it is a difficult task for any government color to come up with something that is fair and falls within the rules of WTO. I know the rest are going to flail at me about screw WTO because other countries are not abiding but for anyone that was at the farm progress show opening ceremonies, there was an interesting speaker from the U of R. His main message was that with the serious financial difficulties the subsidising countries will not be able to afford to do so in the near future.

I agree 100% with checking in that you if you draw a line in the sand with a floor income amount, you open it up to abuse. If that line is set too high, the cargil's, Adm's of the world will consume the largest part of it anyway.

Just like in the heavily subsidized countries ...

[parsley]

If you want to get some answers about your your Agristability program, you might want to BUY the answers.

The Federal Government makes money on your atatistics:

http://cansim2.statcan.gc.ca/cgi-win/cnsmcgi.pgm

Keep working. Pars

[sewen]

SK99 mentions buying fertilizer at the highest price, that's a decision he made, if that created a shortfall why should taxpayers be made to pay for a mistake he made. Buying fertilizer at the wrong time is not the same as a natural disaster it's just another thing I hate about this program, I have seen a farm leave piles of grain to just sit out and rot, guess who flips the bill for that goof up.

[Hopperbin]

Sewen agristability is an income stabilising program. If fertilizer was not an eligible expense and the price stayed up then we all complain and get no where. If a farmer leaves his grain to rot every year or every so often he will not have much coverage. Sewen until someone comes up with a better idea this is what we are stuck with. It is designed to reward more productive farmers.