Denial, denial, denial

[wd9]

Good some others joined in. Thanks Charlie for the kind words. When i left the farm for wherever, it stood still. Just worked twice as hard getting back. I was on ACPC, CCGA, CCC, WGSC, IOPD, and a bunch of other acronyms funded by farmers and industry and government MII money.

Felt my answers cited specific examples how hard work with others improved ALL farmers bottom line. Maybe i don't understand the question but fundamentally seems quite simple.

The other side of the coin is what if myself and others in the last few years would not have worked so hard.

OUI would be toast and the chem companies would have sewn up the legislation to prevent generics.

Not intervening in the Schmeiser Supreme Court case would have left Canada not respecting innovation and probably would have ended farmers access to biotech in Canada. Canola would be dead.

The rail review would have no teeth today for review and would have missed being in the Act. The service review wold not be happening.

Tariffs would be worse.

Our customers like Japan would look elsewhere for their oil needs.

Grading on canola would be much worse and benefit the line companies and there would be no move to quantitative measurement of chlorophyll.

You'd still be getting screwed on shrinkage.

Farm support programs suck, always did, always will.

No specialty crop insurance.

No research and modelling behind the put option crop insurance economic model.

4th tier approvals (economic) for registration of new events. Right now it is science based. (Fortunately there are others working against the latest PM bill to enact socio economic factors in seed approvals.

No renewable fuels legislation or direction in Canada.

These and so many more just in the last few years.

Without the work of a few dedicated farmers things would continue to degrade. There will always be the bell curve of profitability for farmers. Trick is to get to the right end but i definitely do not get there by hampering in any way any other farmer. Its called good management.

And oh ya, The CWB is no longer required. A Cereal council much like the canola council would be of far more benefit to farmers i strongly believe.

Flying somewhere on a 'free' trip is fun the first few times, but the next 200 times sitting in hotels lobbies, cabs, meetings, and airports gets old very quick when you know you should be home spraying.

[FarmRanger]

wd9,
Very well put, and so very true.
You have my thanks.

[oneoff]

And to think that lengthy list of your accomplishments is due to someone most of us haven't even heard of; or doesn't have a real name.
I'm glad I've probably never met you; because I can't stand that type of attitude for 10 seconds.
While you'll never admit it; it is just possible that other individuals behind the scenes did more for OUI than you ever could do. In fact OUI was such a success that it was effectively killed and I believe replaced by an "improved" program that the chemical industry can completely control and prevent from being widely used.
If you have done such a comprehensive job for agriculture; I dodn't see why there are any deep agricultural programs left. Too bad others don't have some opportunities to have replaced you on some of the burdensome trips you have made. I doubt you would willingly have given one of them up. We need some fresh outlooks and they certainly won't come from guys like you.

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What are the mechanic's and wd9's thoughts on the Ontario Federation of Agricultural. Is the president wrong to suggest the governments must answer for their lack of response to Ontario farm woes?

"Ontario's frustrated farm leaders have been calling for program help to the country's largest farm economy that has suffered from years of losses or break even returns but to little avail."

These are not my words, but I wonder if they don't echo a certain NFU report that neither of you will accept as fact, let alone possible.

[oneoff]

Your greatest mistake and lasting legacy is that neither you nor anyone else has been able to get two farmers to agree on anything. Thats why it is vitally important to stay at home until that fundamental problem is corrected.
It is absurd to presume you have the right to promote your perspective without gaining the support of those you pretend to represent. Its also the reason why farmers don't have common goals. You're unknowingly promoting self serving basic instincts.
And thats a sufficient topic for its own thread.

[wd9]

OUI was illegal and it allowed stealing of intellectual property. It had to change. The initial meetings had more lawyers than regulators. It was scary. Specific example was allowing clearout in by stealing all the reg data from monsanto to prove it was safe. This was not right.

I never said i, i said i was part of a group.

Oneoff, your anger and bashing of everything and everyone involved does not help anything for anyone's profitability. As Charlie listed so very eloquently and precisely those three groups i think we all know the group you are in. But since you rented your land out you probably don't even farm.

Ontario has big problems financially for growers. How do you grow a few hundred dollars of product on 10,000 dollar and up an acre land? It is a strategy to have the gov pay for farming. It's neither right nor wrong and if that is what the majority of them want, why not. Take the market out of it and line up for your cheque. I don't think most farmers in the west want this though, but like the CWB, there does seem to be a lot that like the socialist concept.

I still find it puzzling Oneoff that you bring not a single idea or concept or even a thought of originality or experience to your own discussion.

Lets narrow this way down Oneoff. Bill C-474. Is it good to move away from a world respected science based regulatory system to one that includes socio economic factors for seed approval. Will Bill C-474 improve your profitability? Should it be embraced or fought against? Does it benefit ALL farmers?

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Choice2U.

The question had to be asked as to why wd9 protests too much.

I'm sure you are capable of weighing the self promoter who is given a JOB and is adequately compensated for their time, yet plays the protest card of their home sacrifice verses the one who accepts a POSITION not based on any reward factor, and stays humbly mute.

Could it be that this person is looking for a bust in the Agriculture Hall of Fame?

I only ask because of the language which goes, "The other side of the coin is what if myself and others in the last few years would not have worked so hard."

I don't see that as a slip for someone who deliberately knows how to bait and hook a farmer.

[oneoff]

Thanks a lot for selling farmers out on OUI. Just who says it was illegal; no just wait; I'll bet it was Monsanto and you quickly agreed.

More likely; it was the environmental issue of a collection system for recycling empty containers. As if the Croplife plan was/is perfect. That and your caving in to some lawyers opinion (agreed to by farm "spokespersons ") such as yourself and we lost the first breath of fresh air in the chemical business.

[oneoff]

Once again; Your greatest mistake and lasting legacy is that neither you nor anyone else has been able to get two farmers to agree on anything. Thats why it is vitally important to stay at home until that fundamental problem is corrected.

[wd9]

Oneoff, your ignorance of OUI is evident. Educate yourself even just a little bit.

All farmers will never agree on anything so i guess according to you lets just stop all the work on making basic business decisions to at least keep what we have for farmers and sit back navel gazing while every other facet of agriculture ****s us up the ass lobbying for their profitabilty and ensure that not even one farmer is profitable.

Nice plan. Hope you are the farmer, sorry i mean land renter outer with no skin in the game, in Canada that thinks this way.

[oneoff]

Come on wd9; enlighten me about OUI. So tell us all who was stealing what? What wasn't right? What intellectual property had to be protected; and just what side you are on?
Those aren't difficult questions for an honest spokesperson.

[wd9]

Safety data is the property of the one who created it. Either create your own or pay for it to import a generic.

Not that difficult for most people to understand.