Yes VS NO on Flood Help!

[saskcanfarmer]

Isn't there a reason crop insurance is around? I have drove 6000kms around Sask the last three weeks. I know what is out there. This isn't a once in 100 year deal like some claim it to be. Farmers in certain areas on here have claimed they have had this problem 2 or 3 times out of the last 5 years. 30$ an acre extra is bullshit. Does the government bail me out when I freeze out? Absolutely not. Do they bail me out when I dry out? Never seen it. This is crop insurance's job.

What about me? Maybe I should whine a little more. Moisture report came out today. 1% of Saskatchewan farmland has inadequate moisture. I am that 1%. 5300 acres seeded. 2/10ths of rain in the last 27 days. At this point I will not net anywhere close to 80$ an acre. I will be lucky to make any money. I will have a crop but it will barely be above my crop insurance levels if I am lucky. Maybe I should get 30$ extra an acres? I got it in the ground, SPENT the money and did ALL the WORK but I DON'T EXPECT someone to help me out. That's why I insure myself. That's why I have crop insurance. The guys getting 70-80$ an acre are laughing. With that extra 30$ they can hire a plane and spray R-Up three times with 40-50$ to spare. If you are running strictly or mostly on credit I don't feel for you. If you do not have something in place to get thru a disaster then you are not doing things the right way and I don't feel bad for you. No doubt some people have to pay rent, machinery costs, etc but my god, if you offered me 80$ an acre right now and I can take the whole summer off, do very little work and on to top of it all off I will have SUMMER FALLOW to plant into next year I wouldn't pass that up in a million years. Yet I will make very little money and crop into stubble and on top of that it is very likely MY crop insurance premiums will go up because if I venture to guess the crop insurance payout will be shared (not evenly) amongst everyone.

[SASKFARMER3]

I have to ask where you drove your 6000 km. Was it at night or are you from an area that's half summer-follow or cant tell volunteer Canola from wild mustard or flooded roads means nothing. Yes some crops look awesome then drive miles and its pure crap. So any time farmers receive something to me is better than it going to likes of RBC CIBC TD BMO GMC DODGE ETC ETC. That happened last spring yet thats ok. HM do you really farm!

[parsley]

Had to water my garden today. Everything shrivelling and curling. Pars.

[skhadenuf]

okey so your not gonna make money, you don't see a problem with that? you don't see that our whole system is ****ed up? When is the last time you lost a crop? because if your not gonna make money this year and let's say you don't next 2 years in fact you loose the next 2 years just where the **** is your so called back-up and doin it right gonna come from? You'd be exactly where we are up to your balls in debt looking at shit programs. Of course I see what you're saying but if you haven't lost crops' which you must have because if you're not gonna make money and you're not gonna collect crop insurance you must have the same shit coverage as us! I am trying to get everyone on here to see there needs to be a better way for all of us! Your ready to knock us down instead of knocking the assholes that are turning this whole thing into a shit show with this bullshit CAIS, nobody knows what the **** they have or don't have, these morons are parading around making it up as they go, shouldn't there be more out of the market and if not then better know what you have programs? . But what is your Cais guarantee?
30 bucks in no ****in windfall, you just told us what your fixed costs are think we don't have fixed costs? Furthermore that 30 bucks just gets subtracted from your cais margin it won't from ours because we don't have a margin to speak of, the guys with the 200 margins are laughin that's 200 above all their allowable costs that's gonna cover all costs and the trip to the bahamas and more and here you and I are fighting over a measly 30 ****in dollars. Work with us not against us I am ready to do the same this is only the beginning there would not be this much fuss over this if there wasn't major major debt problems on the farms overall, and you know what those ****in nerds they know it too, did you see the look on their faces their shittin their pants like I said before early frost and this province is in the shitter in a heartbeat because there is n't anything to fall back on! I seeded 61% of my crop and have lost 50% to 60% of that seeded already and the rest looks like shit, so I know about costs too.
As far as summerfall I just came in from spraying hawkesbeard 4 feet tall 1 foot ruts all the way down the god dam field end to end you think that's gonna produce something next year water filled in the tracks we've been through this bullshit and the guys who are foolin themselves and thnking this is a one year deal think again that soil at least our area is beyond saturated with any snowfall amount at all next year even if you could seed it any rain and it's ****ed.

[saskcanfarmer]

SF3...I have been all over SK. 6000kms included a little jaunt into ND. I seen Leross, Wadena, Quill Lake, Foam Lake, Yorkton, Estevan, Weyburn, Tisdale, P.A, Meadow Lake, Alsask and everywhere in between. I have not been in the far Southwest Corner. I know it is very bad out there. I don't dispute the 10M acres unseeded or the 2 M acres downed. It is a anomaly for a lot of places but for some places it is the new reality.

Why in the hell should you get 80$ an acre for the acres you seeded and got downed out? Is that how it works every other year? That's the reality of farming. Can you control the weather? ... but you can control you costs and your level of insurance. Why am I going to have to pay the price in Crop Insurance for yours and other areas when mine is unaffected?

Riddle me this....Say you farm 2500 acres. If I came to you and said, "Here's 150,000$ in your pocket. Don't seed an acre. I will spend 50,000$ for R-Up and Custom spraying and you will have some good chem/summerfallow for next growing season." Would you take it?

[saskcanfarmer]

Lost two crops back to back. 2005 and 2006. Came out of it and expanded. Maybe I'm different then most. Strictly Cash only. I could go three miserable years in a row and still be kicking and fighting the fourth year. BUT maybe I am going at this all wrong. I am not trying to shit on EVERYONE who was flooded out. It wasn't my intention but I obviously couldn't put it any other way. My main message is...If you can't afford it don't buy it. I know too many farmers who have that new combine, new this new that 2 new of that other thing and this year they get flooded out. I wonder why you have so much damn debt. I wonder why you need help from the other tax payers. If you can't make it thru the bad on your own then get the hell out.

[saskcanfarmer]

skhadenuf,

Do you think you deserve 80$ish an acre next year if you can't get in and seed?

[skhadenuf]

and how much are the boys that have 200 bucks an acre margin in Cais gonna get under that scenerio?

[sewen]

Farmers are getting slaughtered in the comments section here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2010/07/08/sk-farm-aid-1007.html

Sometimes I wish the Government wouldn't announce these bailouts.

[skhadenuf]

We paid premium on the so called 50 bucks by the time the deductions hit it was about 38 or something so that 30 makes up for the 12 lost to administration bullshit and quite likely the 30 won't be 30 either because usually the same criteria applies. So your so ****in worried about 30 bucks an acre, answer my question what about the guys who had good crops every year and therefore I agree should get nothing but under this CAIS just because they had good crops their margins are 200 bucks and I'm hearing some considerably higher than that if they didn't seed 2500 acres what do you think about that scenerio?, that's all taxpayer money also. that 80 that isn't 80 isn't going to cover our costs but what about the 200 plus over costs and at the same time you said you seeded and will get nothing while they get 200 over expenses you like that?

[saskcanfarmer]

I don't think any of the programs are fair. But you know what you get and they have been around for a long time. Some guy screw the system but it has a very minimal affect on the guy who isn't. This is a true bailout. Changing the rules in the middle of the game.

Should my Crop Insurance premiums rise because of the big payouts in other areas? I asked Crop Insurance this question 3 weeks ago. No answer yet but I think we all know the answer.

[skhadenuf]

your absolutely right about the non fairness thing I see your points as well why not work at getting it fixed instead of chopping each other down? That 400 million is a piss in the ocean, and actually most of it is just transferred from one program to the other so there is no new money to speak of, hell they just paid a billion on a 2 day party that contributes nothing to any of us.
You never answered and I am curios what is your margin roughly and what do you think of the $200 margin x 2500 acres = 500,000 to sit on your ass and summerfallow scenerio?
Are you really a farmer or just yanking my chain, either way it's fun because our groups points are coming across. We are actually preparing these very things to present to various town councels etc. Because the desparity in the cais payouts will ultimately treat some towns and communities unfairly compared to others, we spend our money recieved in our communities the Cais program is not only treating us unfairly but communities as well unequal tax dollars.

[saskcanfarmer]

I am a farmer. Family farm. 3 Generations.

I am not chopping everyone down. I am chopping down the guys who have too many acres, their debt is big, their debt to equity ratio is way out of whack and one bad year wrecks them. They are the ones complaining and bagging the most.

I have very solid margins but I have received very little in the way of any type of payment. I agree 100% on your evaluation/opinion of the program and on the concerns you bring up.

[skhadenuf]

Great, Now how can we get this thing fixed for all of us I see the validity in your points as well. But for this evening I better call it a day starting to feel nerdish spending all this time on a keyboard. Here we are two pissed off farmers chatting on the net across the province, at 12:30 or so, are we really this passionate about farming? or are we two loosers with nothing better to do? Wait a minute don't answer that! Have a good one!

[smallguy]

Okay I just have to jump in here. I have said before that this site is for people are mostly radical and have no morals. I seem to be on the same page as saskcanfarmer. Couple things that really bug me here. One- All I hear on hear is slamming of the CWB, Let me sell my grain on my own, leave me alone, let me do what i want, yes i want free enterprise. Oh but now that things are a struggle, we still want free enterprise, but now with our hand out waiting for help. Two- A while back, and I am not rating names, someone on here was foaming at the mouth about farming with newer machinery than with older stuff even if it meant huge loans. Well if this 2010 setback has you sweating about staying alive on the farm, then I suggest that you take the day off today, and go find yourself a good financial adviser. You are clearly one who thinks from the neck down. Come on boys practice what you preach, for those of you on here that slam the NDP, then stay out of these programs, if you wonder why then look up the word socialist. I will admit that this site is very entertaining, but dam some of you people give the word FARMER a bad name.