Yes VS NO on Flood Help!

[ado089]

Countryguy, There were alot of unseeded acres that could have been seeded. Not saying everyone was in that boat, pardon the pun, but you can sure tell who took seeding serious this year and who didn't. As far as the grocery store being out of food that is exactly what needs to happen for people in North America to realize the food is valuable. I say let them eat cake.

[charliep]

You do know what happened to Marie Antoinette?

[charliep]

On a more serious note, how much more barley got planted as a result of seeding delays. Realize there are agronomic issues but the market fundamentals around barley have been friendly for a while.

I note an education I got from the western praire drought of 2002 was farmers ability to be creative and innovative to improve their situation. Lots of canola crop that were written off/paid out and then harvested as silage. Way off the topic but it is year when those impacted by excess rain need to think outside the box.

[charliep]

I also was going to stay out of this......But.

Basically comes down to the reality farmers are pricks. Many have shown it on here by there comments.

I've have a probelem also.

I understand charts, history, cycles, and seasonals, and spend many hours at figuring patterns, MACD, etc.

I raise the question to Saskcan, and others.

I hedge my grain every year by selling futures, buying calls or puts. Most years works well.

I know guys that have carried over 2 years worth of grain, and didn't sell at 08 prices. Sold lots of Canola @ $8.00/bus this past winter oats for $1.60/bus.

Now these guys are going to collect agrisatability, because there income has dropped by selling in lower prices.

So should guys be receiving money for being retards and not selling at highs?? Or not having a futures account to cover their grain??

Or what about the stupid bastards that bought there Nitrogen for 87cents a pound in 08, and phos for 1200/ton?? (even though your local agronomy told you it was going up)

Your going to tell me that you can't control the market, theres no way to know what it's going to do. Right?

So how is it any different than the boys that can't control the weather??

Should the guys recieve Gov suppport for F%^ing up marketing there grain and inputs?

Hope some of you realize how F^&*ing ignorant you sound!

[charliep]

Snappy, there is more to this than how you describe it.

For the farms that bought fertilizer at high prices, it has decreased their margins for that year which will potentially come into play in 2010. Reminder to everyone the price spike was in 2008.

For those that carried grain over from year to year, the price decline has hit the prior year applications (especially 2009) and most likely through the system.

I guess what I am getting at is that the reference margin is erroded because of the unfortunate management decisions (hindsight).

You on the other hand, manage your farm different, spread your risk, potentially the end result is more profit, will have a higher reference margin historically and therefore receive a higher compensation for your loss.

This has been my argument all along that the farms that manage the items they can control differently than the rest, they have different margins and are protected better or worse.

It is still all relevant to each farm.

I butt heads with those that have not been able to seed a crop for the last 5-10 years which is unfortunate in its own.

I then question why a program should be in place to provide a level of support in areas that maybe shouldn't be farmed as SKhadenuf claims he needs.

[charliep]

Skhaduf, you still don't get it.

You're ranting about the producers with $200 margins, you need to realize that the amount is not actual cash in pocket.

Because of the cost sharing tier's, this translates to at best $120-130 in actual payments. The other issue is that those producers with margins that high or better will experience offsets because of the rising prices in grain the past couple months.

On the flipside, they will have a better chance at maintaining their reference margin going into 2011 and 2010 by marketting wisely throughout the next year.

They way you post language on this site I begin to wonder if the powers above are not dictating your future...

If you are this sour about life everyday, I feel for your wife and family. Get some help, move on.

[charliep]

S3 I need to ask for clarification on your comments about MNP setting guys up to exit the industry.

As a long time client, I guess I am curious as to what you mean. I cannot say enough about the things they have brought to our farm and how we can manage our business better because of it.

If you have personal experience, could it have been the individual you worked with?

Or is it simply your overcapitalized, tax driven farm doesn't fit their model as a client...

[DogPatch]

Aren't MNP in partnership with 1 Earth?

[DogPatch]

Not that I know of however if you read the announcements when it first started it sounded like one had worked for the business in the years prior

[skhadenuf]

nerd nuts99 do you ever read what you write down here, people are telling you how complicated, how bizarre, unfair, and stupid this program is and you defend it by listing about 20 ****ing things that can **** up or fix up your cais depending on this, that, maybe this, maybe that, if you had an erection in the last day, if your cat whales on your dog that may effect your margin and just about everything else that you can think of affects your margin, you are a plain and simple government suck that is just f'n ***** over these numbers that are all bullshit, You had better explain how 200 bucks margin is not 200 bucks because I'll tell you many a farm boy is patiently listening to Ritz say your margin is what to look at and if 200 ain't 200 then what the hell is 100 or 50 going to be I wouldn't want to be telling some of these boys something that ain't what it is.
No wonder those guys looked like they shit their pants when they announced this program I phoned crop insurance today this money will not flow until likely September to November, not like Bjornerud said 15 july. And what is the right answer on whether this is deducted from the cais margin Melville says yes, Winnipeg says no can't they even get a simple thing like that straight.

[oneoff]

Next to none of you can/will look at the big picture because one way or another you are too hung up at looking at yourselves. Its a fact that there are no answers for these problems; mainly because you are looking for solutions to your own problems. Well thats the way it has to be I guess.
And one day you really will be on your own.

[oneoff]

This is all very revealing. The industry comments distract us to more important issues; farmers attack each other; everyone sees the government payouts as their entitlement; but differ widely on fairness depending on how much is coming to their mailbox. The taxpayer/consumer is barred from any say and we get detailed analyses of how the government programs can/should used to maximum effect.

Maybe all this is founded on completely erroneous assumptions and all this is knee jerk reactions. Not at all unlike how the CWB operates. That way everyone spends all their time keeping up to date on the latest changes and there implications to me number one. Is that the way it should be?

[bucket]

Everyone can argue about whether or not the payments should come.

But for those that say no, please take the time to phone the government when they bail out or give out tax breaks for the auto industry or bombardier or the latest - the ship building industry.

Where would Canada be if they had let GM and Chrysler go under? 15 to 20 per cent unemployment?

Do I think these programs are badly designed - yes.

Do I think every other country takes care of their farmers as they are wealth creators - Yes.

Do I think if the government had not helped out farmers the likes of one earth would soon operate the ag industry and most farmers (Saskfamer and freewheat included)would become employees - Absolutely within 5 years.

And if feel you don't deserve the money just send the cheque back. You will feel better.

And for those that got their ass in gear and are real keeners - let us know how big those yield loss cheques are in November. This crop is a long way from the bin.

End rant.

[bucket]

Besides farming can mean many things.

This year it means farming the mailbox.

And I am ok with that. The crops in our area look like shit or are so far behind, some will need a frost free October.

I cut my losses, kept the fertilizer in the bin for next year, bought fuel and glyphos as needed. It was a management decision. Would I rather have a crop? Sure, but where would prices be if spring would have been normal?

3 buck peas, 2 dollar wheat, 1.50 durum, 6 dollar flax and canola.

In the long run the buyers of our grain will not let the bins run empty again like this year.

[bucket]

hadeuf, I could ask you the same thing. Do you ever read what I post, or are you too stupid with your finger up your ass.

If you bothered to be sensible rather that constant swearing, maybe you would understand the cost sharing tiers.

Of course the payment will be included in your revenue calculation for 2010 and the more the payments from programs like this and any crop insurance the better off you will be. Especially for your farm if you claim you have no margin.

People like you give farming and farmers a real bad image. If you are ever jaywalking in yorkton someday, be careful, as I won't stop.

There would be one less sour leach on society...