Yes VS NO on Flood Help!

[SASKFARMER3]

Sask99 from handling hundreds of bankruptcy's it seems Your Buddy's set guys up to a company then when shit hit fan they are gone and are listed as one of the creditors. I have no love of them but maybe they have gotten better years ago some of their advisers were lets say questionable. And when the shit hits the fan a Company is wound down in lets just say seconds vs years. I do agree with you that 200 margin is really probably 100 to 120. But best insurance was from an old dude in rosetown during the drought years two year grain carry over never had a problem.

[skhadenuf]

Wooooooo we"ve made so much progress with you now that you have taken the next step you're hanging christmas tree ornaments pretending to actually have balls, just becareful when you sit and you don't crush the glass. Thanks, nerdnuts99, You just made a threat in writing!!!! You probably are scary behind the wheel with one hand on the calculator and and the other on something personal, wait a minute what do you use there to pretend, a carrot, bugs bunny would be so insulted or maybe your favorite toy bunny is nibbling as you drive aw that's such a nerdlike story, and nothing in the head and nothing on the wheel, that's scary.
Of course everyone on here and everyone else knows it's deducted funny that Cais doesn't.
Of course I and everyone else here know about the famous tiers we've experienced them all along, my point is that some people haven't started a public political lynching because they are wondering how their so called margin is gonna work. This program is so screwed up you could have a number in front of you but it never ends up being what it is supposed to be.

[skhadenuf]

You can call me and everyone else on here names of the sort you like but most would agree you are a constant complainer, want everything for free and will never be happy with anything.

I hope the government creates the majical program that pays you what you want.

Our farm will continue making money regardless and I as I sit here loading yet another load of canola from 2009's crop, I know things will work out for our farm in the end.

You on the other hand will never make money.

Maybe you are the nerd with your stick in your hand...

[TOM4CWB]

You guys,

If you have personal insults... instead of something relevant... please send these personal insults by e-mail; just to each other. Insults add nothing to the facts and the hurt many are experiencing.

[parsley]

I would suggest that some folks who post need to have what they have written, read aloud to their children, and their children's grandparents.

Pars

[parsley]

You are 100% correct Tom and Pars

My appologies

[oneoff]

"I have said before that this site is for people are mostly radical and have no morals. ........ I will admit that this site is very entertaining, but dam some of you people give the word FARMER a bad name. "
That comment from an earlier post deserves a response. There is a true story about the relatively short lawyer who was walking out of a courtroom and was accosted by an irate woman who had been sitting in the gallery. She swore at the lawyer "You fnnnn little bastard"
Visibly upset the lawyer discussed the incident with the judge; after he had settled down a bit. The lawyer explained to the judge that he wasn't so much hurt by the "fnnn bastard" comment; but "she didn't have to call me litte".
Similarly the term radical isn't particularly offensive. I believe that the world sorely needs a limited number of these somewhat useful individuals as long as they are work within the laws and rules. Same goes for all the rest of the majority.
But for the "moral" judgement. As a person professing their supposedly higher moral standards; how could you possibly find this site "very entertaining". Maybe "disgusting" or "diappointing" or "sickening"; but like the story of the prominant officials caught screwing in the firehall; would you find it "titillating" and a ripe source of wonderful gossip or would you act more like what I would expect from a more "morally endowed person" such as yourself.
I've yet to see any indication of the posters having a greater or lesser moral standard than society as a whole. As for the unknown readers; I would suggest that they also gain enough confidence to post their ideas; so that we all might hopefully have an overall positive experience by learning from those ideas presented.
I know for a fact that in some cases "it is out of respect for so and so; that I didn't submit the petition"; or it wouldn't be in my best interests to support that idea etc etc. And especially the truly blind individuals who have no arguments except that "I know you're wrong attitude" and won't give an answer along with accompanying evidence to support their position. Those are the individuals who continue to do a disservice to society. They aren't described as "very entertaining" in my books.

[parsley]

When you've been puking corn whiskey all morning and your head sounds like the tide is coming in and the air is so thick, it cannot possibly be the dog's fault, and you're trying your best,(on the way home from spending the night in the klink from flashing the woman cop who stopped you for speeding), to smile away a gag, when your wife asks, "Would you like waffles with whipped cream when we get home honey?",..... well, boys, it takes a really good man to say, "Sorry, honey."

We are all asses sometimes, and it's a good thing. I really hate perfect people. LOL Pars

[parsley]

skhadenuf obviously thinks he can't chew gum and drive a tractor at the same time unless he gets a government grant, but he is who he is, and at least the victim-segment of the farm population has a place to hawk their views, and you know what folks, that's the good thing about where we live; about Agri-ville. Don't forget to thank Joe. Pars

[skhadenuf]

well parsley apparently you are the what? the self appointed queen of allowable insults, My choice of expletive wording was inappropriate, but that's a far cry from mentioning someone's family in one line and the next threatenning to drive over someone on the streets of Yorkton, If you don't see more of a problem with that you are exactly right you are who you are.
And when you insult myself you are insulting all those farm farmilies out there right now that have had multiple crop year losses who will recieve next to nothing in the cais program while those that had good crops and therefore good margins will recieve a windfall, again if you think that is a good scenerio that speaks volumes about who you are.
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[oneoff]

You live by the sword; then you die by the sword; or variations thereof.

[parsley]

To review my message:

1. Read what you write, out loud, to your family.(Several comments prompted my post as well as a post from the other day) It was a SUGGESTION, you will note, skhadenuf.
2. Both the folks lobbying for gov't handouts and those who are not, have a forum in AV where we disagree on the political structuring of farm income. (It is a defined difference of opinion, whether we call "Help" to the government or not, and it's a good thing we are able to debate it.)
3. We often write things we would rather redo.

skhadenuf,
You defined your problem:

"The market is not compensating enough when we grow a crop to cover years like this when there is nothing at all you can do and you're wiped out"

You also defined how government programs don't meet your needs:

"CAIS PROGRAM IS THE MOST CORRUPT, INEFFECTIVE, UNFAIR, UNTIMELY, COSTLY, AND MANIPULATED, OPEN FOR FRAUD PROGRAM IN HISTORY OF AGRICULTURE"

And then you suggest a revised government program, only this time the new skhadenuf version:

"Of which by the way all we need is a program we buy a dollar amount say 250 and acre and different levels of coverage. You'd get rid of thousands of nerds crunching numbers filling out forms, have a definate number to manage your farm, and would be responsive within weeks of your harvest or disaster occurring"

My point, skhadenuf: Going to government for Versions 7, 8 , 13, 24, 55, 76, .... will get farmers nowhere. There will continue to be the "unfairness" issue. Going to government means government looks after government/ government employees. IMHO.

My observation from watching history, right back to the old PFRA payments is I sense:
..the same arguments,
.. the same spanking new 'this-time-we-got-it-right' Version.
..And "He got more than me" anger.

Relying on government compounds frustration and dependence. Pars

[skhadenuf]

Absolutely I offerred what is wrong with cais so have how many others and more and more are coming out now each day offerring what is wrong. You are implying now that don't change it because nothing can be good for everyone and maybe there is no perfect solution but do we have to choose the worse option of all, and it's not unexpected all those with the good weather in the recent past don't want to change things that way they can continue their I am smarter than you and impress all the nerds on their "management" skills when the reality is whether you make money or not is determined by the variables such as did you get 25 inches of rain in a month or 6 or 7 spread out over the summer. I will add another point, Since governments give you 100% interest on your deposit on day one, we believe when you have a loss like this year to be fair to the taxpayer your gov amount put into agri-invest should come out in disaster times and be deducted from the amount of your ad-hoc payment.But you know why that won't happen because the "smart managers" have the influence with the nerds only what the "smart managers" are forgetting is that if the weather pattern changes in time they'll be the ones sitting with next to nothing to take out of Agri-invest and then we'll see who's able to walk and chew gum.
Tell me pars who are the greedy whiners the ones asking for enough just to survive in a year where weather has wiped them out, or the ones who don't want to give up their excessive gov subsidy free money that they don't even need because weather has allowed them to grow a crop?
What is your solution?

[vvalk]

skhadenuf
When will the subsidies or free cash end? Not 2 months ago the govt announce drought payments and now its too wet payments. Every year there will be some sort of disaster. Whether its a 1/100 or 1/10 or 1/1 year disaster. So like the Wheat Growers suggest, in their latest statement, lets take all this ad hoc money they seem to find and put it ino
to some sort of govt programs from the start. Something that farmers can cost share or pay a premium for. They and their banker then can predict and bank these programs and we in the Agribusiness can run our business like every other segment of society. Only then can we get rid of our image of cap in hand, plaid shirt, flat brimmed hat etc image we have with the urban populations. I know I would like to see this day.

[skhadenuf]

Yes walk, I offerred some other suggestions like voluntarily buying the dollar value coverage a person wants, if an individual doesn't think they need it don't buy it, but then live and die by the consequences. some on here are trying to portray that I am looking for a windfall handout every year and that's not the case at all, just something that I can take to the bank and then be able to deal within in the bounds of what I know I have concrete and solid without accountants working constantly at it, having to worry about this adjustment that adjustment and everything else constantly changing and tied up in appeals etc.
Maybe have this program built into a better crop insurance after all it would be a dollar value coming from combo of grain value and bushels. one of the positives of crop insurance is an adjuster comes your farm your claim complete it's done and relatively soon after you get paid. Done deal move on to next year. Purchase insurance against being too wet, etc. there is more than one possible solution, this cais is simply out of control and has to go, the wages saved by eliminating all those number crunchers itself would cover a huge part of premium for a better program, and man are people starting to realize this.
Someone else may have a better idea there are lots out there lets here them debate them and get it done, but this time let's have the farmers themselves input what is needed not just the number crunchers.