Yes VS NO on Flood Help!

[saskcanfarmer]

I don't think any of the programs are fair. But you know what you get and they have been around for a long time. Some guy screw the system but it has a very minimal affect on the guy who isn't. This is a true bailout. Changing the rules in the middle of the game.

Should my Crop Insurance premiums rise because of the big payouts in other areas? I asked Crop Insurance this question 3 weeks ago. No answer yet but I think we all know the answer.

[skhadenuf]

your absolutely right about the non fairness thing I see your points as well why not work at getting it fixed instead of chopping each other down? That 400 million is a piss in the ocean, and actually most of it is just transferred from one program to the other so there is no new money to speak of, hell they just paid a billion on a 2 day party that contributes nothing to any of us.
You never answered and I am curios what is your margin roughly and what do you think of the $200 margin x 2500 acres = 500,000 to sit on your ass and summerfallow scenerio?
Are you really a farmer or just yanking my chain, either way it's fun because our groups points are coming across. We are actually preparing these very things to present to various town councels etc. Because the desparity in the cais payouts will ultimately treat some towns and communities unfairly compared to others, we spend our money recieved in our communities the Cais program is not only treating us unfairly but communities as well unequal tax dollars.

[saskcanfarmer]

I am a farmer. Family farm. 3 Generations.

I am not chopping everyone down. I am chopping down the guys who have too many acres, their debt is big, their debt to equity ratio is way out of whack and one bad year wrecks them. They are the ones complaining and bagging the most.

I have very solid margins but I have received very little in the way of any type of payment. I agree 100% on your evaluation/opinion of the program and on the concerns you bring up.

[skhadenuf]

Great, Now how can we get this thing fixed for all of us I see the validity in your points as well. But for this evening I better call it a day starting to feel nerdish spending all this time on a keyboard. Here we are two pissed off farmers chatting on the net across the province, at 12:30 or so, are we really this passionate about farming? or are we two loosers with nothing better to do? Wait a minute don't answer that! Have a good one!

[smallguy]

Okay I just have to jump in here. I have said before that this site is for people are mostly radical and have no morals. I seem to be on the same page as saskcanfarmer. Couple things that really bug me here. One- All I hear on hear is slamming of the CWB, Let me sell my grain on my own, leave me alone, let me do what i want, yes i want free enterprise. Oh but now that things are a struggle, we still want free enterprise, but now with our hand out waiting for help. Two- A while back, and I am not rating names, someone on here was foaming at the mouth about farming with newer machinery than with older stuff even if it meant huge loans. Well if this 2010 setback has you sweating about staying alive on the farm, then I suggest that you take the day off today, and go find yourself a good financial adviser. You are clearly one who thinks from the neck down. Come on boys practice what you preach, for those of you on here that slam the NDP, then stay out of these programs, if you wonder why then look up the word socialist. I will admit that this site is very entertaining, but dam some of you people give the word FARMER a bad name.

[ado089]

Countryguy, There were alot of unseeded acres that could have been seeded. Not saying everyone was in that boat, pardon the pun, but you can sure tell who took seeding serious this year and who didn't. As far as the grocery store being out of food that is exactly what needs to happen for people in North America to realize the food is valuable. I say let them eat cake.

[charliep]

You do know what happened to Marie Antoinette?

[charliep]

On a more serious note, how much more barley got planted as a result of seeding delays. Realize there are agronomic issues but the market fundamentals around barley have been friendly for a while.

I note an education I got from the western praire drought of 2002 was farmers ability to be creative and innovative to improve their situation. Lots of canola crop that were written off/paid out and then harvested as silage. Way off the topic but it is year when those impacted by excess rain need to think outside the box.

[charliep]

I also was going to stay out of this......But.

Basically comes down to the reality farmers are pricks. Many have shown it on here by there comments.

I've have a probelem also.

I understand charts, history, cycles, and seasonals, and spend many hours at figuring patterns, MACD, etc.

I raise the question to Saskcan, and others.

I hedge my grain every year by selling futures, buying calls or puts. Most years works well.

I know guys that have carried over 2 years worth of grain, and didn't sell at 08 prices. Sold lots of Canola @ $8.00/bus this past winter oats for $1.60/bus.

Now these guys are going to collect agrisatability, because there income has dropped by selling in lower prices.

So should guys be receiving money for being retards and not selling at highs?? Or not having a futures account to cover their grain??

Or what about the stupid bastards that bought there Nitrogen for 87cents a pound in 08, and phos for 1200/ton?? (even though your local agronomy told you it was going up)

Your going to tell me that you can't control the market, theres no way to know what it's going to do. Right?

So how is it any different than the boys that can't control the weather??

Should the guys recieve Gov suppport for F%^ing up marketing there grain and inputs?

Hope some of you realize how F^&*ing ignorant you sound!

[charliep]

Snappy, there is more to this than how you describe it.

For the farms that bought fertilizer at high prices, it has decreased their margins for that year which will potentially come into play in 2010. Reminder to everyone the price spike was in 2008.

For those that carried grain over from year to year, the price decline has hit the prior year applications (especially 2009) and most likely through the system.

I guess what I am getting at is that the reference margin is erroded because of the unfortunate management decisions (hindsight).

You on the other hand, manage your farm different, spread your risk, potentially the end result is more profit, will have a higher reference margin historically and therefore receive a higher compensation for your loss.

This has been my argument all along that the farms that manage the items they can control differently than the rest, they have different margins and are protected better or worse.

It is still all relevant to each farm.

I butt heads with those that have not been able to seed a crop for the last 5-10 years which is unfortunate in its own.

I then question why a program should be in place to provide a level of support in areas that maybe shouldn't be farmed as SKhadenuf claims he needs.