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    from this weeks agriweek

    <b>Western wheat growers get their annual sticker shock experience</b>

    American wheat prices still may not have peaked in their historic pre-harvest rally. Between June 1 and July 25, Chicago soft red winter wheat futures for December 2010 gained 26%, Minneapolis hard red spring wheat 25% and Kansas City 22%. Prices were above $6 a bushel after a brief dip, with new contract highs on July 27. U.S. wheat futures are all substantially higher than a year ago. Last week the December future in Chicago was at $6.15 a bushel compared to $5.39 a year ago, Minneapolis $6.76 against $6.11 and Kansas City $6.30 vs. $5.63. Basis widened, so cash prices did not advance in step with the futures, but the cash wheat situation for American farmers is turning out very satisfactorily indeed.

    This is midway through the harvest,the time of the year’s lowest cash prices. A straight conversion of Chicago futures to Canadian dollars per tonne puts Chicago wheat at $245, Minneapolis at $252 and Kansas City at $247. Last week cash prices in North Dakota for instant payment after all costs and charges, for dark northern spring wheat before any protein premiums, were the Canadian equivalent of $195 to $219 a tonne. <b>The Canadian Wheat Board’s prices are headed decidedly in the opposite direction. It announced stunningly-low initial payments for the crop year starting Aug. 1. The top milling wheat grade is at $128 a tonne before elevator and freight deductions of $45 to $57. Net on delivery will be about $2 a bushel, a price right out of the 1970s. If the Board’s pool return guess of prices eventually to be received for the 2010 crop is correct, farmers will realize about $155 a tonne($4.21/bu) after adjustment and final payments for what is supposed to be the best wheat in the world.</b> For the best durum in the world, the initial price is $119 a tonne at port or about $1.82 a bushel in the grower’s pocket. The 2010-11 pool return outlook estimate for durum is $200 a tonne before freight or under $150 after deductions.

    The initial price for feed wheat, of which there could be quite a quantity in 2010, is a laughable $78 a tonne or less than $1 a bushel after deductions. The estimated final return for feed wheat is $152 a tonne($3.26/bu), or about 20% less than the cash price for U.S. corn in the northern states. The off-Board price in Saskatchewan at the elevator door is currently about $137 a tonne.

    The Board’s initial and anticipated total payments for barley are higher than for wheat: two-row malting gets an initial payment of $138 a tonne before deductions and the Board supposes that it will eventually pay $214. Its initial price for feed barley at $88 a tonne less deductions is under a dollar a bushel, a price right out of the 1960s. Its estimated pool return price after deductions is about $2 a bushel. Feed barley prices in the off-Board cash market are currently about $125 in Saskatchewan and above $135 a tonne in the Alberta feedlot belt.

    Initial payments are the down payment under the Board’s pooling system. As the crop year unfolds initial payments are increased and interim payments made. However in the now-ending 2009-10 crop year the initial payment for milling wheat was raised only once by only $10 and the durum payment was not increased at all. At the start of 2009-10 initial payments before deductions were $178 for milling and $183 for durum wheat. At the start of 2008-09 they were $263 and $330 respectively, with final returns of $302 and $373. The latest initial prices for Wheat Board wheat are 61 to 64% of the anticipated pool return. Historically they have been closer to 70%. Word is that federal finance officials, having regard for the government guarantees of the final payments and all other Wheat Board obligations, indicated that higher amounts would not be approved. However the difference is small considering how cheaply the Board expects to sell 2010-crop prairie wheat. There also appears to be a possibility that the Board will run a deficit in the 2009-10 durum wheat pool (paying out more to farmers than it receives from customers). In June 2009 the Board issued a pool return outlook price for 2009-10 durum of $295 a tonne. Its latest published asking price was $278 a tonne at Vancouver or St. Lawrence positions and has been lower during much of the 2009-10 crop year. Only the Board and its customers know prices exactly.

    Wheat growers can take the Board’s early payment option and receive an amount related to the pool return outlook price, subject to an arbitrary penalty assessed by the Board which is three or four times greater than interest on money borrowed against the deferred payments. Interest-free government cash advances are also available, further reducing the value of this option. Growers can also sell under an assortment of basis contracts for nearly-immediate settlement in full but at prices set by the Board, not visibly determined on any public market.

    With the small 2010 crop and extra expenses that most growers incurred because of the difficult spring season, these insulting prices will be the last straw.

    #2
    "With the small 2010 crop and extra expenses that most growers incurred because of the difficult spring season, these insulting prices will be the last straw."

    I don't think this is going to be the case. If monopoly supporters actually cared about prices there would be no monopoly supporters.

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      #3
      It is an election year for the CWB. The initials will rise in November.

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        #4
        Way to go on posting the information. A week ago I did the same and till Aug 1st and farmers get sticker shock when they deliver the reality will set in. It is just embarrassing to say the least. In eastern Sask it works out to less than $2 a bushel. Watch feed prices and barley and oats all stay low. Canola will drop because the companies know all CWB crops are out for cash flow for farmers so screw them on the non boards. We will be fined for over delivery on Durum last super B took us over on all three books the elevator said bring it in. Their penalised and so are we. Then the three thousand of hrs 15.6 that heated we also will be fined because we were short three thousand bushels on the HRS. I LOVE THE FRICKING CWB>

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          #5
          also from this weeks agriweek

          There has been a compelling case for terminating the Canadian Wheat Board’s buying and selling monopolies for 50 years. Now it is irresistible, except to the Harper government, which is squandering scarce political capital by illtimed and needless adventures such as the census. For a fraction of the ill will being fomented by the anti-Conservative press over silly census forms, it could have done the right thing, which it has promised to do in every election since 1990, and free western farmers to sell their grain however they see most fit.

          Of course the start of a crop year is not the time to judge the Board’s performance, of which initial prices are just one component. However taken with what else is known and its record, it is safe to say that the Wheat Board will not take the fullest advantage of the evolving wheat market boom and will not transfer the full benefits to its captive farmer-supplier base.

          There are two reasons. The first is that the Board is run like the civil service, with the novel twist that outsiders (the elected board of directors) dictate important decisions and policies. The Board is not staffed with the cream of the crop of the Canadian grain trade. Whether its management does well or poorly cannot be measured, and high performance cannot be rewarded. Accordingly there is no compelling incentive to perform well. On the contrary the constant controversy that swirls around everything the Board does is an incentive not to take risks and a barrier to innovation and creativity. The present fury against the Board by reason of its chronic inability to capture competitive prices and its high-handed, abusive treatment of farmers is as nothing compared to what would obtain if its annual report revealed (for example) that each of its top five executives packed in salaries and bonuses over $1 million last year.

          Emphatically in the management of large enterprises, you get what you pay for, if you’re lucky. The directors, these politician-farmers, are not in the same class as appointed commissioners of a generation ago, who were by and large accomplished grain-trade veterans and respected experts. ‘Farmer control’ of the Board, which it an its supporters passionately want to preserve, is only theoretical. An elected board of directors is not superior by reason of its election. The ability to grow grain or run a successful farm does not automatically confer expertise in the complicated and esoteric world of international grain trade or the management of a multi-billion-dollar business, any more than a world-class neurosurgeon is also a crackerjack lawyer. Yet all western farmers are compelled by law to absorb the economic harm done to them by the Board’s mis-steps.

          The other handicap is the pooling system. The price-averaging system across a crop year is quite likely to produce advantageous results in a steadily declining market, but is completely incapable of generating competitive returns when the wheat market is rising, as it is now. No matter what the Board does in the 2010-11 crop year, its returns are already compromised because it has sold probably 10% of its crop-year volume at lower than the current values and
          undoubtedly lower than the best values yet to come in the newly-begun cycle.

          Most farmers, and most responsible people, do not have a problem with adverse consequences of their own bad decisions. The most odious part of the Wheat Board system is that a central quasi-government authority is in a position to make mistakes on farmers’ behalf and there is nothing that any prairie grower can do to escape them.
          Some farmers do and some do not support the pooling principle, which gives everyone the same price averaged
          over a year. However even the pooled price will vary depending on the timing of sales, the accuracy of market analysis and the success of any strategy to realize the highest available prices. In numerous ways, the system restricts the ability of both the Board and farmers to benefit from market fluctuations. The Board cannot stand aside when prices are low because it is expected to receive farmers’ grain on a continuous basis and because surge capacity in the handling and transportation system is not available to permit large variations in weekly and monthly sales. If they want to sell high-grade wheat and barley at all, growers must contract with the Board for specific amounts during particular time frames, and having done so are legally obligated to deliver. Farmers do not even have the right to hold their grain on their own farms into the next year without the Board’s permission and without payment of harsh penalties.

          Recent events have exposed all these flaws to the plainest view. The anti-monopoly, pro-choice lobby has a special opportunity to press for monopoly-ending reform right now. Alas, the voices that should be loudest were, up to last week, silent. If there is outrage over the likelihood that Canadian farmers will miss the boat, it is being kept down on
          the farm.

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            #6
            Saskfarmer, you bring up a point I beleive in and seldom hear used as an argument against the fricking board. How non-board prices are affected when farmers are forced to deliver these crops, because of how the 25% call on the wheat, and the pathetic price attached to it can not come close to meeting cash flow needs.

            As well, watch local feed prices when the board releases their stupid pro. There is a direct correlation. THe lower the pro, the local feed mills lower their bids, as they know they don't have to compete for this grain, or step up to the plate to bid for it.

            Guys we gotta do something. 10 000 farmers at goodales office? Border runs? Seriously this is getting old. I am not a leader type, but come on people, lets do something. I would be very willing to help anyone with a tangible idea...

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              #7
              Yup, thanks to the board we get lower prices on all of the other crops that we can actually turn into cash. Especially at harvest.

              We also have to spend more money on storage.

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                #8
                I am as disturbed at the price of all grains as everyone else.

                I was just wondering. If the board was gone or open market was at least an option, at what price would eveyone be willing to open there bins? What is everyones thought on a fair price for all commodities?

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                  #9
                  Perhaps you should consider using a board program to lock in some wheat. 7.20 on a fpc will be alot better than the prices you are complaining about.

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                    #10
                    when was the cwb started, ? was it in ww2.?
                    seems to me you guys are being screwed.
                    can you not store your wheat on farm?

                    over here it is weak sellers at harvest that ruin the barley price every year, they sign unpriced contracts just to get it off the farm.

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                      #11
                      Where are you located hedgehog?

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                        #12
                        Hedehog--- The CWB was started as a voluntary entity in 1935. It was made compulsory during the war but only in western Canada( northern British Columbia, Alberta,Saskatchewan and Manitoba). The compulsory part was used to insure a constant wheat supply for the war effort.Because of wheat deals signed with the British Isles during the war, the compulsory part is still in effect today.No federal government has the fortitude to free us from this slavery.

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                          #13
                          katoe, you believe the complaints are without merit?

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                            #14
                            The hog barns around here lower feed prices as cwb pro lowers. You would not believe how much #1 durum is feed to pigs. Guess the wheat board should add them to their good customer list.

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                              #15
                              Never said they are without merit.Just saying 5.50 net is better than4.00.

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