So Alberta is Going to Save the Day! Ha HA.

[oneoff]

And just why are you blaming me for what you see as the failures of a dictatorship or democracy or any form of government. Bout time we all agree that individually; the majority of citizens have extremely little power but collectively they could control their situations.

And just what do morals have to do with government; and my or your impact on government. Remember its a fact you can't get two farmers to agree on anything. Thats one of the big problems.

Talk about missing the point and not seeing any of the big picture and blaming others for the shortcomings that only everyone is responsible for.

[silverback]

Not everyone wants to be in the collective Oneoff!

What is happening and needs to be done on our little acreage is supposed to be our responsibility. We are more than willing and able to succeed or fail on our own without the collective there to hold us up.

You are right in one sense that I believe that if our provincial gov't had any stones it could have easily removed Alberta from the CWB shackles long ago. Something the voters here keep telling them to do, but they won't. Hopefully changes are coming in that regard soon and we will leave the collective wheat board to SK and MB. It might be neat to have a crystal clear referendum question once and for all just to see how badly some farmers want to keep their neighbors in check.

[Choice2U]

Oneoff...You MIGHT have some credibility with your comments about democracy if all of Canada was under the CWB but since others have a choice, I am merely asking for what other Canadians have....OK...I am being greedy again.

[wd9]

If i am to understand oneoff, there is a strong requirement to do things collectively thereby mitigating risk, but also unfortunately limiting reward.

Does the CWB alone fill that collective requirement, or is it that we "designated area" must deal with the CWB by virtue of the monopoly within the ACT? Basically is just the CWB enough by pooling grain to satisfy your business model?

[oneoff]

One person does not a democracy make.
Apparently there are many people who just can't face the fact that it takes a majority or even 66% or more support to make changes in our system.
As for dwelling on the word collective; That just the same as branding someone with being a commununist or Nazi. Doesn't take any though or understanding at all to do that.

[newguy]

I believe every farmer in Canada should have the same right. That is a Human rights issue. In Canada even minorities have rights!!!

[silverback]

It would be almost impossible for me to label someone a nazi so don't throw that out there.

On the other hand, in my mind anyone who advocates shared resources and equal outcomes for all shares the same values and philosophy as my definition of communism.

Oh yeah, and if you are ok with letting the government and police put your neighbors in jail for trying to do what they feel is best for their family and situation, you might be a communist.

Now the definition of Marxism is?...

[wd9]

I'll try asking again. Would having the CWB alone be enough by it marketing and pooling grain and sharing the proceeds of sale the same for those who use that service or do you feel 'making' everyone (by everyone i mean a select group singled out in Canada) deal with the CWB thru the power of the monopoly?

What is important to you?

I think leaving racial slurs, moms, and personal comments out and focus on the issue at hand is prudent.

[TOM4CWB]

WD9;

You are spoiling all our fun!

If by now you didn't get it...

This is not about logic.

This is not about the highest returns to growers who grow grain in the 'designated area'.

The CWB is a handy tool to supply consumers with cheap grain. Canadian, US, EU, African, South American... and maybe even a few in the Middle East, India... and then for the mother of all Communists; CHINA.

[oneoff]

And I think its futile to debate with you the matters of any of you doing absolutely anything you think necessary for your family; or your right to freedom from the CWB etc. etc. Those are not necessarily examples of rights. If they were; you wouldn't have nearly the problems we all have exercising them. People can be so blinded by their crusade; that they no longer see the laws and regulations which are the basis of the current democracy. And yes it is extremely probable that if you did get your way; that more serious problems would ensue.
And yes I believe in; ; strive for and hold out hope for a more functional democracy. Probably to a greater degree than just about any other poster. Calling me a communist is untrue; and doesn't hurt a bit. I like the word socialist because of its effect on red necked welfare bums. But democracy is our best hope and can be very difficult for wannabe dictators both big and small. The necessary slowness of changes can indeed be a source of frustration to us all. But we do get the governments we deserve; and eventually the will of the majority will be relected in our society.