Hows your "F - - KING" Day going!

[cottonpicken]

Oh for god sakes somebody push us over the edge.

[furrowtickler]

Well I will, just tried canola today, 13.8, may be under 12 tomorow - if so it's commin off. Got done the first 300ac w/wht today. No rain but the forcast is all over the map - on the crappy side.

[riders2010]

HIT A NERVE AGAIN! Yah Baby aha aha that's the way I like it!
I'll keep it simple for you!
Go back read your posts or have your weiner accountant read it to you.

How many posts did you brag oh my 160 margin we'll be alright.

Then on other posts gee there really isn't much out of 160 margin.

Well guess what are you lieing now or before or do you know anymore, or is Ritz lieing because I think I now know who is writing his speaking points because it's just as screwed up as you are.

Jdgreen asked you as well what your secret sweet deal was, why did he do that? BECAUSE that is what you said, holy crap! And then the sweet deal turns out is a deal everyone else has? are you kiddin!

Side by side managin or otherwise I'd kick your ass farm to farm any day everyday your a pencil pusher, bookboy can't wait till you flop and you will.
All that land that the bank foreclosed on for a song, connections in fcc and acs and stole that land too, no one else got a chance to bid, sound familiar?

[riders2010]

Hit a nerve, its obviously the other way around...

I suggest you read "your" comments again. All I ever claimed is you need a minimum of $140. We are a lot higher than that.

If you didn't take the sweet deal, that's your fault. Don't spout off claiming farmers lost millions. You had a choice.

We don't need to hear about your ability to steal land and your huge debt with FCC and ACS.

Our farm has no debt, we have never dealt with FCC or ACS. Not sure why you continue making shit up.

Your "phone call" to the manager at LD will lead no where. Ever think that maybe I was driving for someone else that day?

Hands down, our farm has beaten yours and you will never catch us. You claim you have been flooded out 3 years in a row. (maybe you only farm 2 quarters around fishing lake and they are now under water) This is the first year we have experienced this.

We have existed over a 100 years and will continue for at least another generation. You will most likely not, especially if you don't change your attitude.

Thinking the government is going to come to your rescue is a false belief. Why do you think I don't bother to take time off to vote. I feel sorry for you and your family, and God help those that have to sit across from you at coffee row!

[riders2010]

There once was a fella that had privy to foreclosures on farmers then took the land for a song, connections with acs and fcc got him alot of land for a song most with no competitive bids, this is not about me man oh man! I don't deal with acs or fcc at all.

I never sold one bushel to that hog barn, just talking about neighbor that went broke because of it and helping jdgreen get some answers to the "sweet" deal.

Seen more than a few like you that had good weather and grew crops everything lovely but when the shit comes and it's started for you, still not even close to other areas, but it's started, they're gone in a flash.

I really thank you because instead of a few looking up this site there are actually quite a few that get a kick out of it, but the fire that is started not on here gets bigger, but it helps as I said when the harvest is done we'll see what's gonna take place.

Let's see cwb takes a year and a half for your money
Agrivation takes a year and a half if you are lucky, some guys waiting for 5 years for settlement

cwb won't send you a bill from 5 years past
agrivation sends people on a daily basis bills from any year up to 5 years.

cwb run by people that don't understand the farm situation.
agrivation same thing only people there not only don't know their job but some rude also.

The message is simple the program will work possibly for some that had good crops like you and you shouldn't need the money I agree so does klause and others.

For us that had weather disasters in the past no margin, we are screwed, go ahead enjoy thinking about that, it just shows and I promised not to swear any more but one more time you're an asshole to think that of us low lifes that had that happen to us. Feel better?

The wild card is the crop, there are those with no margin that seeded and had a crop so weren't too worried about the program but now with the weather reality is setting in and that is where the fire is gonna take off or quit. We'll see

The factor that determines your income most is weather, we need something that deals with that problem first not a program that supports those that have good weather, it's bananas!

Someone mentioned about suport for other industries can't remember who, think again there are billions not a few millions going to all those industries tax breaks, startup grants, employment subsidies, just doesn't get published by politicians and used as a tool by them.

[riders2010]

Rider2010

Why can't you respond post/like this consistently. Thank you for that.

My sincere appolgies for my comments against you and your family. Its not my character - definitely.

Your comments and the way presented are extremely relevant.

Again, not familiar with FCC type deals but people everywhere in every business are "leaked" info that is used to their advantage. Your situation you are describing is not/was not us.

Yes, I am in charge of finances for our operation, sorry I am interested in this stuff but someone has to take on that responsibility.

Its unfortunate your neighbor went broke because of the barns. I question how close they are operating to this point if this broke the camel's back. It could have happened to any business. We went through it with Neighbor seeds a long time ago. I totally agree its not right, rumor has it all trucks were fueled up at the co-op the day before the announcement. Again, everyone needs to move on, try and protect themselves as best they can.

I honestly feel for you if you are in an area of multi year flooding. Its hard to understand that what we see was possible but going through this year I am concerned about next spring like all on this site. It wouldn't be my character to openly call you a low life, I think you used this term in the topic about how farms manage themselves differently.

You are right that everything is a wildcard. Harvest will be a challege for all. I do need to stress that fact that everyone needs to wait until the year is done to properly evaluate their own circumstances. Some will fair better than others because of better crops, crop insurance coverages and program payments. Others may not be so lucky.

I don't mean to defend the program, I have always been trying to help others realize there are some good things about it. Many don't understand it or have any idea where they are at.

I agree somewhat that weather is the wildcard but not the only factor. There are hundreds more, luck included.

I don't tend to get caught up in politics, that's why I don't vote. I work for myself and follow the rules laid out. I definitely don't agree with auto maker bailouts and I still question the need for the CWB. On our farm, we sell CWB grains but generally not straight pool contracts. It seems to work for us. I fear that when its gone the Viterra's, ADM's and Richardson's will just step in taking the additional profit that may or may not be there without the CWB.

Agristability has the biggest admistration failure of any program ever designed. I would love to see something better. On the flipside, many producers (cornerstore/basement and stand alone accountants included) don't make an effort to ensure the program is processed accurately or have the tools/software to do so. The firm I deal with gives me that and I have not had the overpayment issues other experienced.

And for our Agristability payment for 2010, I don't think its going to be as big as you think for our farm and others with similar circumstances. Understanding this situation is the key. Yes we have a good margin and we carry maximum crop insurance and no livestock. With this and good/lucky marketing of 2009's crop or the value increase so far, our income earned for 2010 will not drop as much as you think.

Our seeded crops this year are all crop insurance yield claims and our average coverage at 80% is a bit over $200. You can't hold good crop insurance against us, its a 10yr historical ins we pay for. Even the frost of 2002 and 2004 we managed to get through with minimal claims. That's puts us in a different position then everyone else from crop insurance and Agristability's points of view. A lot of the off grade grain was held for many years and sold when prices recovered or we could blend it off. Again this was a management decision we made but helps us be in a better position.

Not everyone can be as fortunate.

Lets start off on a new topic and a new page. I enjoy good constructive and polite debate and I will contribute my knowledge if asked. Cause I'm the "nerd 99" as you once politely posted.

[riders2010]

So was this Mrs. Nerd posting this time or does Mr. Nerd have a an alter personality thing going on?

[riders2010]

Come on, that wasn't nice.

This is me, has always been the real me.

Split personality is the definition of a politician

[riders2010]

So Mrs. Nerd, Give you an example of agri-in-stability.
There is a guy near here some years back near broke as can be, had some alfalfa acres and was in bees did not make alot but had more bees than needed could not afford to seed all acres to crop so seeded more alfalfa. The way it worked out some of those recent years alfalfa and the bees went terrrific for him. By anyone I know he's the only guy with a decent margin in the area. His fields were too old and bee prices went to crap so he took almost all acres out. So now he's laughing at the guys that laughed at him, hell he was laughing at himself when he went into it that big. But now he couldn't seed an acre of crop and is out of crop insurance, going to get and this is calculated by his nerd accountant, over 600,000 to sit on his ass (backside). And fully intends to ride the margin he had from the alfalfa, hoping he cannot seed for the next 4 years. The point is this, the weather worked for that crop, he was no brilliant manager, so is it right now for him to be an idiot and free ride the next 4 years. NO but he program will let him and countless others that got lucky, weatherwise.

At the start of the year did you know what the best crop to seed was? All the best market managers Oh no don't seed canary, lentils, flax no way too much and cannot get rid of it. Look at what has happenned that's what we all should have seeded. The point is that program is being run under the myth that it's management as the factor and if you don't have a margin poor manager, well it's a factor but no where near what the weather dictates. Those people with margins better be aware that the margins follow the good weather if you are into crap for the next 3 or 4 years your eventually into what many of us are into, and when you have an additional loss look out.

I noticed how you purposefully excluded livestock from anyone that has a margin. This program is one of the biggest factors as to why so many have left that industry. It used to be and should be that a mixed farm be more stable but because assistance was based on a complete unit as apposed to splitting livestock from grain no assistance basically at all to anyone with a mixed farm. That's totally bullshit and a major step backwards.

So the term agristability is anything but stability. It should be called the Expensively Administered Moving Weather Lottery program.

The grain sector is heading directly to where the cattle sector is, and this program is perpetuating it.
but that is the goal of the Conservative government because all they are about is total control by those that buy them off.

I respect your comments on the cwb issue. I do understand but not agree on some levels the reason why the wheat boarders think the way they do. They are thinking not just about wheat but in their mind it's the last stand of farmers against the corporate raping that no one can argue exists. Trouble is in that stand you have to have us the customer recieving at least the prices available on the current open market and available without a penalty fee when you want your money. If they would use the wheat supply they have to get a better price instead of well I don't even know what the hell to call it when you sell at a discount all the time.

The conservatives are using the faults of the cwb issue and gun control as a smokescreen to hide their real agenda of killing off farms to the point where there business buddies control it all.

The liberals too stupid to point this all out clear enough.

We the farmers are too stupid to see the big picture and are looking too much and always at the immediate problem, and have bought into the idea that the more neighbors fail the easier it is for me to get bigger and efficient. Yes in some cases but only if you get the weather no matter what size. Giving our votes away for free we are idiots. Look at the programs the Quebec farmers have, are they backwards not progressive no they are just not only thinking of themselves there is an actual plan there.

[riders2010]

Having said the above maybe we can get to 200 hundred posts. What is the record. Maybe some more good tunes supplied by Cotton AKA Burbert.