Hows your "F - - KING" Day going!

[Klause]

riders2010 -

I'm assuming your in the NE of SK?

Some years its best to not put a crop in... leave the land fallow and replenish itself at least you didn't waste the money.

Many farms, IMHO, have grown too large for their own good.

This is Canada. We have 40 days to seed, 30 days to spray, and 40 days to harvest in a normal year. Farms do not scale infinitely. In Argentina, or Australia you can run 50,000 acres sure... who cares if your harvest rolls out until July (they should be done in May)... it's summer. You can seed for 70 days straight. We can't. We have frost. We know these issues exist as no one on this board has been farming for their 1st year...

As for small enough to pay it with a 9 - 5 job? HAHAHAHAHA. 9 - 5 jobs pay $12/hr here if that. Can't buy equipment, buy land, and support your parents on that. We cover just under 2,000 acres and crop 1200 (or should. We seeded just under 600, and harvested just under 400 of that). We had land flooded last year, that produced "0". In 2005 we harvested "0" acres because we got totally swamped.

[SASKFARMER3]

Yea yea yea sing a song. Farming ain't no picnic and that's what I am trying to say. Every young guy starting thinks we got where we are the easy way yea right its a huge amount of hard work. This year is psing me off.

[fjlip]

I agree, NO place and time better to live than where we are. However, we all focus on our own situations and unfortunately most of us are wishing for better circumstances than the current weather. So strange to have such a widespread weather issue ALL summer. It is not healthy to keep stuff bottled up inside, so venting or sharing is the****utic. Though it does get overdone for some and sounds like desperation for others. Keep your sanity and save your health fellas, share some positives also.

[riders2010]

So what are all the pictures directed at the west for, our enjoyment, I see that and worse every day, your complaining yet saying be happy, go get a job but that cannot support your expenses well cannot support mine either, what are you trying to say, Are you just a happy guy all the time, good for you, but and I hope you don t if you sit there facing bankruptcy is it gonna be fun, ask the thousands that have gone through it, it isnt fun. If your job isnt gonna pay the expenses Are you aware where you are headed, nobody can not seed and be better off year after year, or do you even care. People are different some put their heart and soul into this thing some dont give a shit maybe that is you.

[Klause]

I took over the farm when I was 16 - my parents divorced... I didn't have to, I want to. The farm is my life. However, I do not bitch and moan about it raining too much... yes, I show pictures... Have no trouble saying it's a bad year, but come on. Some members on here do nothing but be negative post after post after post. Depression leads to suicide. Do you really want to go down that road?

I try to stay positive, yes. I get pissed. I get moody. But just remind myself it's useless because it doesn't change anything. Dealing with adversity is what gives one character. Running around whining doesn't help. There's not a single positive thread on this board right now in case ya didn't notice.

When prices are high, and the yields are there and easy to get it's easy to be the world's greatest farmer. It's when the going gets tough, and you see people's true colors, that's when you can separate the wheat from the chaff. That's something my Dad taught me... having been through WWII, the first Argentine roundup, the second one, the confiscation of all property, the communist incursion, and two rounds of hyperinflation.

[riders2010]

Well you go down your road saying thats the way it is and accept all the bullshit thrown your way with a smile on your face great good for you. Im not saying things here for sympathy, no Im saying them because we hear the lies in the news that the politicians give that they gave so much and maybe they do but to who do they give, the ones that buy them off that's who, to the ones that got lucky with past weather and need it less that's who (and I doubt that will happen also in the end)! but the spin is it's to all the family farm that they are trying to help bull! Not to mention everyone up the chain calculating every last penny out of us. What do you think I'm trying to change the weather by posting? No just trying to in some ways ask people if they think this is right, would they like it to be them, are they satisfied doing nothing about the bull, because the rose colored picture that the gov and media is painting is a smoke and mirrors game, there are lots that are in mess either don't care like you, afraid to speak up, or don't know what to do. Gov and those up the chain like when we don't help each other and don't like when we even discuss what is happenning. Yes of course other countries for petes sake you get shot at every day, yes there is corruption. But the corruption here is not right out for everyone to see, it's become a more sophisticated corruption sort of legalized by making your own rules corruption. Here for example one of many when you have a company full of government grants and 0 interest loans screw farmers out of money then get even more gov handout, and get listed as a top 100 company and the farmers that went broke because of what they did get looked down as poor managers etc. and worse you still have to feed your family whether it is in Argenina or here when you are broke you are broke. And the guys that knew they could not pay yet kept taking the grain at the same time planning to go bankrupt that's not criminal? And when your broke 12 or even 20 bucks an hour doesn't go far to get you out and you'd better have a small family to support.
You think your freedom and not getting shot at is all you need then go for it with a smile. I expect that freedom as a given, becsuse people died people in my family, for us to have it, if they didn't fight and took it with a smile where would we be? that rule applies to the situation we are in now, People associate freedom with the instant road to riches, that freedom in reality is to choose which life, occupation you want to begin your battles in to survive that's all.

[rookie]

Someone please notify a psychology department somewhere .... this is something that reminds me of what you would have seen on a school bus out in the prairies 30 years ago ...

Klause.... thumbs up for standing your ground like a man ....

( that should piss a few kids off.....)

[riders2010]

Work in the hog barn do we? Kraus doesn't stand for anything except let's be happy when we get pissed on.

[SASKFARMER3]

Hey the Bible according to Klaus. God man and you must have walked to school 12 miles every day through 5 ft snow drifts. Oh wait you came from Argentina. AH Evita.............
Klaus ask your self one simple question. If all us farmers just sat their and said nothing. I mean all farmers do you honestly think their would have been one single dollar delivered for the flood damage this spring. Or the media would have given a rats ass about the flooding.
Second on the CWB if you think for one second the Internet has not had a huge effect on the CWB man your smoking something. They are under constant pressure. Simply buy even having elections and guys like wells running by showing what these kind of guys really represent farmers can make up their own minds to vote or not vote. Its new media.
Third bitching about grading gets guys to think every single time they go into an elevator and the little ps ant behind the counter is giving them grief.
Fourth you think VIGRA OR RICHARDSON ARE YOUR FRIENDS>
Five nice pictures but if you rented the grassland from the Farmer and then paid him, but didn't seed it how well did you do on that financial deal. Or did you pay that farmer nothing for using his land. Did you skin him and take the 30 dollars or did you share the no seeding lets see who you really are. Or did you rent it so you have somewhere to walk and think about how nice it is. Hawaii trust me is way more nice.
ON AN ON AND ON>
I m not negative its just things happening that effect my bottom line and every other farmers bottom line every day sitting in a circle and holding hands and singing might make you feel good but information is what gets you the money.
You have some points on being positive. Hell you think were all not positive other wise why do what we do, but when something is effecting farmers or hurting farmers phoning the Govt stress line wont help at least this is a place to go.

[SASKFARMER3]

Rider are you saying he works for the Hog barn up their that ripped ripped ripped farmers off for millions of dollars and is one of Saskatchewan's top companies. END OF CONVERSATION!

[Klause]

My God. You two really are a piece of work.


Saskfarmer - I took $30/ac on the fields that got seeded and flooded, and on the land we already had, was ready to
seed, and did not seed.

The 320ac we picked up this July, we did not ask any $$$ on. My landlords got 33% of the annual rent this year
paid in cash on signing. On another quarter that we picked up this spring before seeding, which was hayland also
we paid 50% of the rent, even though all that I could get in to do was spray it with R'UP.

I have much experience with internet marketing... I'll tell you one thing, a couple guys on here bitching and
whining doesn't make a damn of a difference to the CWB... why? Because in the eyes of anyone who actually runs a
business or has biz. experience, you guys sound like children. You want to take on the CWB, then do it step by
step, law for law, action for action. Write competent letters, publish them in newspapers, journals - online
communities - news agencies.

You want to know how to get rid of the CWB? Take the message to the streets. If the general public comes behind
you on it, it WILL be done. I don't know if you've noticed this, but the general public of Canada is pissed at
farmers running around in new pickups, having all-new equipment, whining about needing money, while they go to the
grocery store and see the price of food go UP UP UP. Has any one of you big-mouths ever thought of that? Or can
any of you actually stand up in front of consumers and explain how, why, and what we do, and WHY and WHO is making
so much from the food they have to buy? No.

You want to know about grading... I LOVE giving my elevators a run for their money... don't believe me, read this:
http://www.thecombineforum.com/forums/23-crop-production/21729-ergot-wheat-harvest-2.html#post179611

I know the grading guide for every grain. My samples do not get graded without me present, and I call whoever
screws up. I challenged Viagra wit ha barley sample, and got the grade I wanted.

We switched from Viterra to Cargil this spring... Cargil's rep still getting the hang of dealing with me. She has
to do the fertility plans, cost plans, arrange the trucking, do the grid sampling, yadayadayada for 95% of
farmers. I have my own plans, come up with my own prescriptions, use chem rates based on the label, not spraying
the highest, and not screwing around with unregistered concoctions. I ask for prices a unit not an acre. I haul my
own grain by semi - after taking the sample to a half dozen elevators - to the one with the best price... I find a
backhaul on almost every load to pay for the trucking costs. I DO NOT sell to un-bonded grain companies, or any
feedlots period.

Did all the bellowing get the $30/ac payment? Hmm.. Well, not the stuff on Agriville, but yes being vocal to your
MPs, and getting most people in western Canada behind you helped.


Now, riders2010 - please do me a favor and next time you post, break up your text into paragraphs. It makes things
much easier to read.

Finally, saskfarmer - Nothing was built in a day. I worked hard as hell to get to where I am, and will work even
harder if that's what it takes to achieve my goals. There is no farm in western Canada that wasn't built with
blood and sweat.

Peace.

[Klause]

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