Hows your "F - - KING" Day going!

[riders2010]

Thanks for responding Klause that was really revealing, I've got no time to respond right now but I am anxious to and I will, I was under the impression you had lost crops and were still happy about it, You haven't lost crops so naturally what the heck would you have to complain about? You showed these dreary pictures and said I'm still happy wait til this continues for 3 more years like it did for us.

[checking]

riders2010.

I will respond to you, but I'd like to hear from freewheat. Okay.

[freewheat]

Checking, you offer some excellent questions for a right wing farmer who beleives in the marketplace, and minimal subsidization!

I do not think it would be feasible to abandon a few million acres as marsh, especially as most marshes are not slightly rolling as our country is. Too many Islands!!!

For me, my alternative if the weather does not change is to raise sheep, not grain. As far as the others in the region, they'll probably be forced to quit and move on. I am a farmer, and always will be somehow, by gum.

I do not beleive in special support by region, I frankly disagree with subsidies. If we had as I have said before, a tangible crop insurance system that was the farmers sole responsibility to pay into, and it actually provided coverage for troubles such as these, to offset the costs incurred in a 4 years in 6 flood, i would gladly pay in high premiums. Heck with agrisnot, ad hoc, etc.

Finally, I will say this again. The regulations imposed on our specific area, the regulation disallowing drainage in the Fishing slough, I mean lake drainage basin, even after the sask water study that states drainage only affects water levels by 3-6 inches, must be revoked. It is a ridiculous law, and has disadvantaged our area which is one of the forty inch of rain areas, above other areas, causing our specific area to see maybe 10 % seeded this year... To wreck a million acres of farmland to stop a 3 to 6 inch rise in lake levels in years when rainfall is 40 inches is utterly unfair, and equal to forcing me to sell my wheat to the CWB which is unjust and unfair as well as a western Canadian.

If we could drain some water away this fall, we may seed next year. If not, we're in big trouble again.

You must be in a dry area checking, as you simply have no clue about flooding. I found it to be worse than I thought when I drove my tractor out on the land for the first time this year at the end of august. I didn't get far before getting stuck: in a midslope position.

As well, when one lives in an area where the climate scores a 39 out of 40 on assessment sheets for soil/land assessment, where a crop failure had never realy occurred between settlement and 2004, one must always have a contingency, BUT not for years of difficulty. How much of your debt repayment would the 30 bucks cover? How much of your actual costs would the 47 bucks cover? And finally do you know what it costs to take care of wet ground?

[cottonpicken]

Convincing,so are the idiots walking around saying
bread is bad for you,difference is i dont tell them
not to say it.

Control,control,control,are thoughts,are actions,all
the while flying the holier than you flag.

Whats the old saying?

There are two types of people in this world-those
who want to be left alone and those who wont leave
them alone.

leave us alone-if we want to complain and swear
just dont *** read us.

[gregpet]

Then ignore the positive post cotton, pretty simple.

[bgmb]

I am going to take one last stab at this.

Klause said,
"I will change the classifications though. There are those that, through luck, have grown large, and have become arrogant... The arrogance is masking ignorance. The other type of farmer is the one who grows his crop, follows his beliefs, is conservative, saves some money, and isn't capitalized up to the wazoo."

I don't think you can attribute success to luck those that have large successful farms have taken calculated risks, made good decisions and understand business and economics. Probably a good idea to get post secondary education before you farm.

However I think you can attribute some failures or lack of progress to bad luck.


"However, you, who has one bad year and is crying he needs government funds, is a good manager?"

I don't think I am going to have a bad year crops are really good but only 20% done harvest. But if I do I know I can have two bad years before my agristability margin starts to decline.

My profits are right where they should be invested back into my operation so they can generate more profits for me. More land more grain storage you know stuff like that. And we have lots of working capital so we could go quite awhile without a crop even if there was no crop ins or agristabilityinvestrecovery.

My point was that agristability and to a lesser extent crop ins pay good farmers more that bad ones. I just think it is better than paying based on acres or gross sales. But actually in my farming utopia there would be no subsidies at all.

On the work ethic/off farm income comments.

It would cost my farm far more to lose me for a winter than I could ever make at a job and I think I could get a pretty good job. I will quote a good friend of mine "there is hard work and there is smart work" and remember don't mistake activity for productivity.

Guess what there are some dog F(*^%g farmers. And they don't deserve to farm and certainly don't deserve random gov payments to keep them in the business of dog humping.

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Freewheat.

I recognize that you are more than articulate enough to defend your thoughts, so hence the brush off of perhaps an area citizen in riders2010.

I'll accept your take on what is wrong with what are labelled as safety nets. You have me at an disadvantage, but no envy here, that they don't work in a changed region now more suited to fish agriculture than grain production, but mainly your advantage is in the knowledge you've gained in participation in programs. I cringe at the thought of such words as programs, and if I had had to rely on them to continue farming I would have changed businesses. That's just me.

If I had the power, and it has always been limited to an involuntary electrical response only sufficient to drive my heart, I would require from you a commitment that you would make a refund to the public purse when the normal times return to historic production. The way I see it your area has developed too much of a risk factor for what your first choice is to do with the land. If you wanted my support, you would have to agree to this.

I've likely labelled people on here, but it is not a wise thing to do. You would be wrong to believe I'm anywhere close to being a right wing farmer simply based on the two criteria you have listed.

You have a valid point with the watershed authority, but you would find that their action resulted from complaint(s), and for $200.00 you could lodge the same one against an upstream neighbour. The authority is required to respond to determine its validity. There is one thing that you can do that does not change the historic water storage on your property, and that is to consolidate it to a specific area. A thousand islands could become one that's farmable with your own private little lake.

Confronted with your situation, I'd hook my 4WD tractor up to a 26 foot mower, after ground freeze up, and mow it. I've done the same with cattail areas, and it does work, and has limited expense. Nothing is wrecked. There are no ruts. There is no partial burn, and there is a chance you will be able to do something with it come spring. It's the reason I suggested to you awhile back that I wouldn't fight a weed-water situation that wouldn't support equipment. I'd let it grow to consume some of the moisture, and my expense would no where near a program payment.

Take care.

[hedgehog]

you guys need to send all your phots of bogged combines to the bbc website, and all newspapers.
tell them you wont seed next yr either.
and please stop knocking seven bells out of each other.

[wilagro]

Some very good postings.

All I have to say about these people complaining about bogging down with stuck swathers and combines. For Khristsake...why are you out there when the soil is too wet? My dad, who was a horseman from day one, always said that one should wait until the soil would support the equipment. He hated having to pull people out of the mud with his team of horses when common sense would have avoided the predicament in the first place.

[DogPatch]

I was reading Saskfarmers very first quote. If I were his fuel dealer I certainly wouldn't make my drivers to be pulled through a 1 2/2 miles just to fill a swather.

[fjlip]

I am sure it's his OWN fuel truck. 10000 acre neighbor has his own here.

[freewheat]

wilagro... Another guy from a dry area....