Next problem! Desiccating!

[SASKFARMER3]

Tried today to desiccate a field of HRS. Nothing special but OK enough for this year. Only problem pizza cutter tires having real tough time. Field is well drained. Went home to wet after one round. Yes the 4 plus put us over the edge but still thought could do it. Guys are putting their floaters back on less damage to field. Booked the planes four two of our worst sections. Full liter do the whole field trees sloughs water runs etc. Kill the whole field. Water running between sloughs. So tried standing Durum Desiccated 18 days ago 7 or 8 inches rain since then. 27.9 Ah that should dry down nice. Farmers I talked to this weekend are getting into survival mode take what pays something and what looks like lots bushels no flooding leave rest to burn in spring 2011. Picture water running between sloughs down ditches culverts full creeks full and Burrow pits with no water runs to them are full. Rain makes Grain.

[furrowtickler]

Let the frost do it, save the money.

[SASKFARMER3]

Yea this week should fruckup the last of the year but I still am betting on Snow storm, wet snow storm to push every thing right to the ground. Why not we been given every other thing why not wet snow. only have 3 sections to do the rest are done.

[sumdumguy]

Can you hire a plane? They are super booked.

[SASKFARMER3]

No Micar is coming this week Tues or wed.

[sumdumguy]

Better hope the winds stay down.

[sumdumguy]

Don't know why we're so worried about overspray - all viable crops should be far enough along for desiccation.

[grassfarmer]

I think you've been watching too many Vietnam movies SK3 - I guess you love the smell of Roundup in the morning? But did it occur to you that your bombardment from the air to kill "all the grass and trees" would reduce the number of things sucking up water and drying your land out? Never mind randomly spraying toxic chemicals onto water surfaces - no wonder some elements of the general public fear "industrial agriculture" and seek to buy organic produce.

[jensend]

sf3 is angry and the environment will have to pay. things to consider: pushing bush and levelling land has disrupted an awful lot of water storage, use and natural flows. roll the land for peas, lentils, silage and you're guaranteeing runoff and ponding with even a heavy thunderstorm. zero till drills make the land less able to absorb water. watershed tour this year we dug a 12" deep plug of soil out of the neighbour's lentils and it was solid as a rock - no air, no capacity to take on water. in the grass the soil fell away from the roots because the water had channels to move down. sometimes the technology makes things worse. seems to me there are fewer farmers and more machine operators around. but this winter when the chem co rep hands you a beer and says western canadian farmers are the toughest, smartest, most resourceful guys in the world you'll eat it up and buy some more poison.

[SASKFARMER3]

DAH!!!!!!!!!!! 40 inches of rain this year and last fall probably what you got so far this year for your total. Then we can talk till that time your just playing.
Now round up as a toxic chemical, yea that's a good one. Take your head out of your cows but and you will learn it breaks down easily.

[furrowtickler]

Jensend your dead wrong on the water absortion rates in min-zero till soils.

[jensend]

you haven't said anything to prove me wrong. glyphosate has been found in the north sea. consumers would love your attitude. talked to my mla's office yesterday and asked if i get $30/acre for unharvested hay. no only the grainfarmers get help. i said yeah i know i was just making the point that there is a preferred group. other people say they're getting tired of the whining too. you'd make a heckuva spokesman for farmers. by the way your rainfall figures get a little heavy every now and then. i live in one of the areas you quote numbers for.

[jensend]

furrow we get better water absorption because we rotationally graze and hold up water from running. we've got the evidence all around us. zerotill is great in dry country and this year is the exception. our sloughs fill from the neighbouring grainland and we have land in a drainage project. since we went to grass we contribute nothing to the flow in that ditch and actually intercept from upstream. the only ponding we get these days is on freshly grazed paddocks that we take down pretty hard in the fall.

[grassfarmer]

SF3, I farmed in a 70 inch annual rainfall area for 20 years and my family for 7 generations before that so don't tell me what wet weather is.
There is growing evidence that the active ingredient of Roundup is a carcinogen.

[ado089]

jensend et.al.,

You better some more homework. Zero till mimicks the soil physics and chemistry of native prairie. Reducing tillage increses soil aggregation and microbial activity. The result of this is increased infiltration, higher organic matter levels, improved pH buffering ability and better aration. Intensive grazing rotations will do more to create compaction than any next generation farming practice. Each step a cow makes rusults in about 23lbs/sqin of preasure, we're in lower than that in the lbs/sqft. Back to my min till argument evidence supporting this fact is that the Palliser expedition determinded that most of the prairies including the Parkland unsuitable for settlement due to a lack of surface water. With tillage came sloughs and potholes. Since min-till started run-off has been greatly reduced and most water bodies have disapeared or been drasticly reduced. This year farming practices, no matter what they are, aren't the problem. The problem is 200-500% more rain than average.

As for the Roundup B.S.... I have no doubt they've found the active ingredient in the north sea. It's SALT!!!

I don't think anyone should get any money above and beyond their crop insurance or Agristab or whatever other B.S. programs are going but you clowns need to get your poop in a group before spouting off about us stupid, environment destroying grain farmers.

FAIL