CETA

[checking]

The core of the NFU is supply management, and the CWB. We all know this. Tossing aside their views on all issues due to their core value is plain folly.

It reminds me of one of our councillors who has stated that his hate for a particular ratepayer will automatically cause him to vote against anything that this person presents to council.

I see the same thing happening here with NFU ideas on why CETA will harm Canadian farmers. Ideas that would need to be really elongated to rationally tie them to their core.

What is so wrong with trying to protect the use of farm saved seeds? Just one of their ideas. Oh!, I know, it's a suicide cult that demanding it.

[Fransisco]

If you really think they're trying to save "farm saved seed" then all you have done is bought into their rhetoric without actually understanding their knee-jerk anti-corporate, anti-business, anti-property rights position.

Yes that's right your so-called defenders of farm saved seed are actually against property rights. You don't have to read a whole heck of a lot of their propaganda to see it.

[wilagro]

Fransisco: I see that you are "as full of it" as usual. Why are you knocking the NFU...after all it is made up of farmers...don't you like farmers?

[Fransisco]

wilagro the NFU is made up of born again Marxists, some of whom just happen to farm. Virtually every policy they cheer-lead for costs, or will cost, myself and the majority of other farmers money, as well as the further loss of our independence, our freedoms and our ability to run our own businesses as we see fit.

They ignore facts, do shoddy research, and use faulty logic.

They are against, trade, technology,and property rights, not to mention minding their own business.

Their raison detre is class warfare and the redistribution of wealth from those who have earned it to those who haven't.

The NFU worldview has played itself out in many countries all over the world throughout history with the same results every time, misery and poverty.

So no I am not a fan.

This CETA thing is their same old, tired, worn out fear-mongering, boogie woogie about freer trade. Their argument as per usual is 180 degrees off from where it should be. Basically the NFU is worried that trade will actually become too free between us and the EU when what they should really be concerned about is that it won't be free enough.

Farmers are traders wilagro, anything that frees up trade is good for farmers anything that further restricts it is bad for farmers. Once again the "farmer" NFU is pushing for something that would be bad for farmers. Frankly, I'm not surprised, its what they do.

[FarmRanger]

<i>NFU is the only group, that actually
understands what is going on</i>
If that's the case, then why are they always on
the side of restricting trade when western grain
farmers rely so heavily on trade for our
livelihood? Doesn't the NFU like western grain
farmers?

[grassfarmer]

Told you you'd be wasting your time Wilagro. Once most of these guys get done boasting who has the biggest machinery and the poorest crop they don't have much time left for thinking about what might affect their longer term futures. The power of their reasoning demonstrated in this thread doesn't give one much hope that they would be able to think it through to a logical conclusion anyway.

[wd9]

Hey Wilagro, what exactly is the problem with CETA? You ignoring the question because you don't know what it is and blindly follow the rest of the NFU sheep beause they say its bad, or are 'working' on it?

[wilagro]

wd9: If YOU can't figure it out it doesn't really matter what I think is wrong with CETA in the least. If YOU see nothing wrong with its objectives then go support Stockwell Day and be happy.

Im not even arguing...I just wanted you guys and gals to be aware of changes coming if this CETA goes through. Better than waiting until you get poll-axed and then sit up, rub your heads and say WTF happened.

[wilagro]

grassfarmer: Your right...a waste of time. I just provided the URLs but they want to argue...because THAT is what they do best.

[wilagro]

Darn, that should read you're.

[wd9]

Well i guess what i don't understand is that all of these perceived "loss of rights" which never existed in the first place is effectively in the PBR act already and was based on the contents of UPOV.

Canada respects the rights of the holders of innovation already both nationally and internationally. Many legal instruments exist for the innovator to protect their investment.

So ya Wilagro, i guess i don't know what this is 'taking away from the farmer' because it never existed in the first place.

So as a farmer, what am i losing?

[Fransisco]

Wilagro said, "If YOU can't figure it out it doesn't really matter what I think is wrong..."

Translation: He doesn't really know himself.

[TOM4CWB]

WD,

You are right.

Fear mongering and misinformation are key to this petition by the NFU.

THis is a NDP/Liberal ploy to give the conservative folks a black eye... when the Liberanos put the policies in place long ago. The Conservative Party had a vote in Montreal in 2006 on supply management; the party therefore officially suports the SM5. This is truly about the CWB single desk!

[grassfarmer]

CETA intends to prohibit:

Canadian federal, provincial or municipal standards that exceed international standards.

Government preferred hiring of locally owned businesses or services.

Government, municipal, school and hospital purchasing policies that favor locally or Canadian grown food.

How are any of these related to the CWB and single desk selling TOM4CWB?

One thing that you advocates of more global trade for western Canadian farmers maybe missed - CETA will NOT allow access for GM crops to the EU. The Europeans specifically exclude that in the agreement.

[charliep]

Actually Europe does allow GM or (accurately transgenic/genetically engineered crops) into their region. You just have to follow the rules. Under the original posting about PBR, Europe is among the most advanced in biotech (excluding genetic engineering) - perhaps why they are wanting to re-affirm Canada plant breeders rights legislation.

Notice you have stayed away from the original theme of plant breeder rights. On the issues you raise, wouldn't Canada benefit from better access to a market with 380 mln people?