CGC at it again

[sumdumguy]

JD Green

It appears that you think there is some big conspiracy to harm farmers and grain companies. The point that I make is quite on-topic. From my experience of more than 30 years involved in all aspects of this industry, 1. We have counted on the CGC to provide gauranteed grades that have protected our interests in disputes 2. The grading standards change as the crop is harvested and the end users react to quality issues. 3. I agree that there is a chance that some who ship right off the combine can get caught in the transition - But the point I make is that this is not new nor the first time this has happened. Some marketers who have experienced this process decide to proceed cautiously until they can confidently say "I know this is a #1 or a #2. All I say is it is good to proceed with this fact in mind. If a marketer has presold product, he is more vulnerable when he has gauranteed delivery and grade - this presents other problems that I am sure you are aware of. This is only my opinion - I only can speak about my experiences. I am open to other ideas as I it appears that there is concern on your part.
If you have a CGC guaranteed grade cert. you have assurance and this is valuable.

[JDGreen]

Obviously a guaranteed grade cert was never issued, or this problem would not exist. Are you saying that marketing grain early is never a good idea based on your theory of grade development? And that anyone who does is at the mercy of the cgc so as you say?? I call BS.. By the way do you even grow red lentils?? Had a loooooooong chat with a front and center industry expert this morning who is holding the exact same opinion as I regarding this problem. I am not calling this a conspiracy,but rather a problem created by those who do not understand the end use of this product.

[dave4441]

My #2 sample has been officially regraded as a #3. I can see staff being out one grade, but 2?

[JDGreen]

dave how could that be?? the CGC is here to help (SARCASM OFF).

[mustardman]

Elwin Hermanson the ex Sask Party leader should be asked to explain the cgc position , this fiasco will cost millions

[gustgd]

What are the Sk Pulse growers/Pulse Canada doing. Will they keep their members informed.
How?

Dave/JD who would we as farmers call to help influence levers of power.

Mustard and the other NFU clowns. Quiet the adults are talking.

[JDGreen]

Kelvin Rothenburger
(Manitoba Pulse Growers Association Inc.)
RR 2, Thornhill, MB R0G 2T0
Telephone: (204) 822-3698
Email: budfarm@xplornet.com

Vicki Dutton
(Saskatchewan Pulse Growers)
Box 1149, North Battleford, SK S9A 3K2
Telephone: (306)-445-4022
Email: vicki@westergrain.com

I have already had a legthy discussion with Vicki on this matter. On another note there are processors in Paris this week presenting our customers with samples of lentils from this harvest. This should also help to dictate price and direction from this point forward I would think.

[spratt]

Hi JD,

My name is Sean Pratt. I'm a reporter with the Western Producer. I'd be interested in chatting with you or any of the other posters about your red lentil grading concerns. Please contact me at 306-665-3541.

[mustardman]

gustgd is that a little close to home commenting on the cons, wasn't your dad an mla under devine

[dave4441]

Not sure, Garth Burns is head of Pulse Sub Committee if you happen to know him, Watson area i think.

[stubblejumper]

Talked to the local elevator manager about this problem. He is also a farmer who has not received payment for red's already shipped to western grain. They gave him the same story so he phoned CGC and was told it is all BS,

[gustgd]

Mustard Not sure who you think I am but No my father has never been in politics. Unless you count a short stint as a RM councilman(more of a public service). My family have always been farmers. I was going to say /business people, but it seemed redundant.

[JDGreen]

yes stubble the cgc is denying any changes. I phoned them and got the same response. However both companies i dealt with were having the same color issues with grading. Cars that were shipped as a #2 were regraded X3 and 3 in port vancouver. Everyones eyes but the cgc's are failing this year apparently. I'm gonna have to get me some of them good socialist, unionized government type eyeballs too I guess. ;-)

[dave4441]

Stubblejumper-this is a real problem and CGC does not want to admit it. Yellow pea grades will soon start to be hit in the country as companies are having #2 yellow peas downgraded to #3 on arrival in Vancouver. This is real and of course the CGC is saying nothing has changed as they do not have the power to change grades unless the western standards votes for the change. This is all about interpretation. If you do not think it is real ask the line companies if yellow pea grades are being affected right now.

[sumdumguy]

As a shipper to international clients, and as experience has taught me, cook up some of each quality brought to me at harvest. I want a realistic 'grade'. Some discolored-some loose coat-some wrinkled- some frozen. I look at the cooked product. I compare my results with the 'grades' that are coming back from the CGC and SGS. Does the 'grade' reflect the true product? After a few tests, I have an idea what the result is. The proof is in the pudding, not in some obscure subjective grade. I have to satisfy my customer or else I'm in big trouble. I buy what I can sell, not
unlike any department store. I have decided not to forward sell what I can not see. In my opinion, when companies forward-sell, all is fine if the crop comes off in good shape, but a few times in the past, that has not been the case- and then the pressure is squarely on the seller. He is caught between the farmer and the buyer. I could buy and ship like a demon, but if the buyer complains and asks for a regrade - what then?

Not only do I grow Lentils, I sell Lentils. I understand your dilemma JD Green, but experience has taught me that caution is my best option, especially at the beginning of the season. Just my perspective.