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    The CWB Misses the Point in Feed Barley Debate

    Late last week, the CWB commented on the feed barley debate. (http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/record/commentary/) Unfortunately, they still don't get it.

    The CWB explained its feed barley program back in 2007-08 by saying it sold several hundred thousand tonnes purchased directly from the trade. This is quite different than buying from farmers using Guaranteed Delivery Contracts (GDCs), as they are doing this year – but in most respects, the result is the same.

    On these trades it has been estimated that the CWB made about $50.00/tonne. To explain why it didn’t distribute this excess profit to producers, the CWB said: “It would have been extremely difficult to determine which farmers contributed to those cash sales and at what prices, which is why the margins were directed to the CWB's contingency fund…”

    I have to ask: Why did the CWB choose to buy from the trade and not from farmers?

    First, if they bought directly from farmers using GDCs, they could have distributed the excess profits to the farmers that participated in the sales.

    Second, using this program, the CWB created the same major problem in 07-08 that we’re seeing right now. In both years, the CWB’s actions are directly responsible for keeping the export values from having a positive impact on the domestic price of feed barley. Since The CWB made $50/tonne in excess profits on these export sales, it’s only natural that, with efficient price transparency as there would be in an open market, the domestic prices would have moved higher to compete. At 1½ tonnes/acre, that works out to $12,000 per quarter that you could’ve had.

    And it doesn’t stop at feed barley. If you made more from selling feed barley, you’d have less cash-flow pressure to sell canola. Less selling pressure on the canola market means higher prices on canola.

    A majority of The CWB board of directors feel farmers are better off with the CWB single desk. They argue that grain companies “would (naturally) buy feed barley at prices just above the domestic value, sell it at the higher international values, and retain the profit margin.”

    This argument is based on what would happen if you suddenly changed the rules, shut down the single desk one day and opened up the market the next. It’s based on the assumption of the current dysfunctional market structure – ineffective price discovery, no appropriate hedging tools, few players and no active arbitrage between markets. The CWB fails to factor in competition and arbitrage between markets.

    I argue that the market would evolve very quickly from its current makeup. We would see the rapid development of vibrant futures and options markets, active cash brokerage/trading, multiple participants (not just the big grain companies) and effective arbitrage between markets. Competition would drive handling margins lower, just as we’ve seen in other non-CWB commodities.

    Ironically, I see the CWB playing an important role in a dual market, particularly in the early stages, in price discovery, discipline and arbitrage.

    The crucial point the CWB is missing is that the rest of the barley market suffers by the way it operates. And it is completely myopic when it says that if there was an open market, farmers would lose.

    They don’t get it. Doing it the CWB way, everyone loses.

    #2
    Read more comments about the CWB at
    www.cwbmonitor.blogspot.com

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      #3
      If they bought from the trade, there is a pretty good chance the cwb didn't set the price and the trade made a nice profit as well.

      Lets assume they took as much as the cwb. Then the loss per quarter section on a smaal 50 bpa crop becomes closer to 20000 bucks.

      Worse yet they are going to be using this practice for durum. WHy? Because alot of farmers sold #1 durum and wheat into the off board market for cash and bin space. Effectively replacing their good durum for feed. Now the cwb needs 1 durum and the trade owns it.

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        #4
        The hot link:

        [URL="http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/record/commentary/"][/URL]

        Will note the CWB low balled current Alberta barley prices. More likely $3.50/bu plus most
        areas Alberta with some shopping.

        <a href="http://canola.ab.ca/dailygrains.aspx">ACPC Daily Grain Prices</a>

        < href="http://canola.ab.ca/feedgrains.aspx">ACPC Feedgrain Prices</a>

        For what its worth, no mention of current feed barley export prices.

        Also no mention feed wheat. This issue also needs to be addressed. Lots of feed wheat and
        no price signals. No competition in local feed markets. Asking farmers to sign an "A" series
        feed wheat delivery contract (deadline October 31) with no forward pricing opportunity.

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          #5
          oops sorry about that. Has to be exact.

          [URL="http://canola.ab.ca/feedgrains.aspx"]ACPC Weekly feedgrain prices[/URL]

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            #6
            Guaranteed not a single CWB supporter will be posting anything on this thread other then some stupid comment having nothing to do with the topic.

            The CWB has got to be stopped.

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              #7
              From GMPR

              Argentina and Brazil are negotiating an alliance with other South American producers of grains and oilseeds to deal jointly with buyers in Asia and elsewhere, according to Brazilian Agricultrure Minister Wagner Rossi, says a story from Bloomberg.

              That should reach your criteria. (lol)

              Can we suggest the CWB ask to be included in the grains portion?

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                #8
                The cwb can't continue to operate in this fashion as they are just adding another leech to the price. If the grain companies were allowed to market our grain they would have a better handle on what should be moving through the system.

                The cwb can plug the system for no good reason. For instance, with this harvest running late the elevators should have been emptied right out come the first of october. Instead the cwb is trying to steal 1 and 2 AD instead of selling this years crop.

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                  #9
                  You's boys and girls are sure smart, known all the bad tings about the cwb and makin the rest of us feel lak lowlife's gives ya somethin ta do on a snowy day i geese!

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                    #10
                    No burbert I would like to be hauling grain but the elevators are now storing durum that the cwb is begging for. How about getting that grain moving through the system. They are not paying for it so the least they could do is move it.

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                      #11
                      For those that want more detail.

                      In 2007-08, the CWB reported a total of 1.192 million tonnes of feed barley that traded through the CWB's Cash Trading activities.

                      In anticipation of an open market that year, about 900,000 tonnes of feed barley was sold in the export market by the private trade. However, prior to making the sales, the private trade negotiated terms with the CWB that would apply if the courts reverted the market back to the CWB single desk - which, of course happened. The agreement between the private trade and the CWB said that the trade would pay the CWB $4.00/tonne in return for allowing the trade to execute the sales.

                      Therefore, on this 900,000 tonnes, the CWB made $4.00/tonne, or about $3.6 million.

                      On the balance of the program, the CWB bought about 300,000 tonnes directly from the trade. Since the CWB reported total earnings from cash trading of feed barley of $19.938 million, on this 300,000 tonnes the CWB earned $16.338 million, or $54.46/tonne.

                      None of this money was paid to farmers. It all went into the Contingency Fund.

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                        #12
                        One more thing.

                        About the 900,000 tonnes sold by the trade, the CWB 'release' says "...the CWB took over the execution of those sales to the end buyers."

                        According to trade sources involved in the deal, the CWB did nothing except provide rail car allocations. If the companies didn't pay the $4.00/tonne, the CWB didn't give them cars.

                        One trader I know referred to the $4.00/tonne paid to the CWB as "the export tax". Another called it "the CWB extortion tax".

                        Before you think this is good for farmers, don't forget that this money went straight into the Contingency Fund to cover losses in "discretionary trading" in wheat.

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                          #13
                          bucket

                          Perhaps it is a situation like compaction and cattle. Someone from the livestock but compaction occurs when an animal is fed something like straw. In cold weather when an animals nutritional requirements are high to keep body temperature up, the animal keeps eating in an attempt to meet its energy needs to stay warm. Not enough stuff goes out the other end of the animal and gradually their stomach fills up so nothing else can come in the front end (read mouth). The animal eventually dies of malnutrition and a plugged stomach.

                          Kinda like that in feed barley this year. In Alberta (not necessarily other provinces) a big carryover. Actually a good barley crop (again not SK/MB). Need to sell product. AS A GRAIN COMPANY THAT GENERATES PROFITS TO BE DEPOSITED IN THE CONTINGENCY FUND, it took advantage to buy cheap from the domestic market and sell expensive into the export market. Got caught with questions it couldn't answer and switched to the current guaranteed delivery contract with a low cost EPO.

                          The issue on the low GDC/EPO is only some elevators/grain companies (Viterra in Alberta) and hit and miss at best. The domestic market has responded with higher and as feedlots fill up will do so more later this fall (not much forward coverage by feeders).

                          The simple point someone asked me is why US corn is $5/bu plus and barley is under $3.75/bu. Perhaps even worst is feed wheat under $4/bu. Couldn't explain it. Can anyone else?

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                            #14
                            For those that don't think the CWB is relevant to the price of feed barley, I note elevator bids has slipped about $25 to $30/tonne off the top end this week.

                            [URL="http://canola.ab.ca/dailygrains.aspx"]AB feed barley elevator bids[/URL]

                            Suspect the main reason is the CWB has pulled the GDC/EPO programs off the table (may have the business they want to do filled).

                            Would also be interesting to be in a place to monitor the CWB execution on existing sales (is it on target in supplying feed barley to ships as they arrive).

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                              #15
                              The it in the reference to the GRAIN COMPANY is the CWB by the way.

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