Drifts on the Doorsteps

[dmlfarmer]

I assume Parsley is referring to the now defunct Ontario Wheat Board which before 2000 was the sole marketer of wheat in Ontario. In 2009 the GFO, which was formed by amalgamating the OWB with the Corn and Soybean Grower organizations, marketed less that 170,000 tonnes of Ontario wheat. Not exactly a glowing endorcement of the viability of a dual market. Thanks for adding to the argument that the dual market is not feasable. And for evading my original question rather than answering it.

[dmlfarmer]

I assume Parsley is referring to the now defunct Ontario Wheat Board which before 2000 was the sole marketer of wheat in Ontario. In 2009 the GFO, which was formed by amalgamating the OWB with the Corn and Soybean Grower organizations, marketed less that 170,000 tonnes of Ontario wheat. Not exactly a glowing endorcement of the viability of a dual market. Thanks for adding to the argument that the dual market is not feasable. And for evading my original question rather than answering it.

[stubblejumper]

I wonder who is paying depape for the blogs this close to an election.

[parsley]

The point is they co-exist with the CWB. They work separately from the CWB, but within Canada.

2 marketing systems within one country.

Two.

2

Creston Wyndell region of BC was taken out of the Designated Area. Now I'd agree you probably piddled your pants when it happened, but the value of the CWB pools did not deteriorate.

The value is determined by how well the grain is marketed.And divided amongst the farmers, right?

If 200 farmers from Saskatchewan withdrew from the CWB lassoo, there would be no consequence to the single desk. All the CWBvoting farmers you refer to, would remaion loyal to the single desk.

Surely even someone cashing a per diem can understand the point.
Pars

[dmlfarmer]

Pars:
Sorry, not on the payroll, only trying to learn.
And you are right about
2
two
2
markets coexisting already in Canada. BUT the 2-two-2 markets are not coexisting in the same geographical area of Canada.
Farmers in Creston or Ontario cannot sell through the CWB even if they want to. There is NO DUAL MARKET in either of the places you refer to in your argument for a dual market
If farmers vote to remove the single desk, I have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with people telling me a dual market can work but then refusing or unable to explain to me how both will operate and exist over time; since when tried in Ontario, in Australia, etc. the boards have failed. Even you have not shown me a dual market, only an open market.

Instead of trying to be funny and evading my question - show me a plan!

[parsley]

Farmers in the Creston area WERE part of the DA for years! You don't know what you are talking about. They bitched and the government caved, and they seceded by way of legislation

The Designated Area and the Rest of Canada both operate within Canada.

They operate side by side.
Quebec markets grain.
Ontario Board markets grain
Ontario farmers market grain.
Creston farmers market grain.
BWB markets grain

All function side by side.
Quasi wheat marketers within one country.

And, by the way, it's rumpured the CWB has courted , on occasion, to get the ROC to join the CWB. A trolling suggestion. NFU farmers in Ontario liked the idea; non NFU puked.

So, on a national scale, you are correct. it is not dual marketeting. It is a quasi-marketing. Pars

[parsley]

In 1947, Canada had a sole marketer of wheat, and barley. The government's Canadian Wheat Board.

Then Canada legisalated a dual market.
The CWB from then on ONLY marketed Western Wheat and Barley.
Yes they did.

Today, we have MULT-MARKETERS

Do you suppose any one of those marketers sell feed barley into the USA?

Do you suppose any one of those marketers sell milling wheat to an Ontario flour mill?

Yes, well.

Pars

[cityguy]

Think all dml is saying is that "dual" is a soft way of saying open. It's a question of whether the CWB would survive as a voluntary organization with any sort of "power" in an open market. The OWB, with less than 10% of origination or the AWB would suggest that single desks by and large become minor players. Also - think that in Quebec it's mandatory to market Quebec grown wheat through a central agency.

[Kodiak]

Ok dmlfarmer, here’s a plan. I happen to think it has a lot of merit. It the most comprehensive and well put together one I’ve seen.
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/choice13151/$FILE/MC_Task_Force_final_Report.pdf
Now before you dismiss and try to shoot it down with ideological, repeated, and tired slogans from the CWB, offer something constructive as a response.
Arguing that the OWPMB is defunct (which it isn’t http://www.ontariowheatboard.com/index2.php ) isn’t much of a response, especially since it has no basis. But even if it were true, isn’t the real question “Are farmers better off?” The farmers in Ontario have obviously not patronized their wheat board to the same extent as when it had a monopoly, this is true. But why? They had a choice, and many went elsewhere. Why?

[parsley]

If what you say is true, city guy, then both Quebec and Ontario are
chose to be inconsequential marketers.

Yet, they both chose to break awaay from the CWB.
Has it hurt them?
Has it hurt the CWB?

AnSo, if Alberta 200 farmers chose to opt out of the CWB, it should not hurt anyone EXCEPT staff hirings.

You see, farmers are accustomed to creating wealth. The CWB is accustomed to spending that wealth.

The answer to the question, "Who would get hurt?" is "high paid employees" Pars

[parsley]

Let's put it this way cityguy:

Registered seed growers in the DA, thousands pof them, and will huge acerages, market their own seed grain, and bypass the CWB,

The majority of exported feed wheat and barley is not marketed by the CWB, but is market under the Export Manufactuired Feed Agreement, with the CWB's blessing

IF the CWB argues that BUSHELS ARE THE PRIMARY REQUIREMENT for the CWB's SUCCESS, why did they abort marketing pedigreed seed grain and feed grain?

Yes, well.
Pars

[furrowtickler]

And what has the wheat board done for us lately - SFA!!! We do not need them period, they are costing western canadian farmers untold millions the last three years.
Hey stubble - truth hurts?