Climate Change Schemers in Mexico

[mustardman]

Parsley the debate about whether climate change is actually happening is Long Over (every where except on this dinasour site of homeschooled evolution denying flatearthers that is)

THE DEBATE Should be what are we going to do about it?

[gregpet]

Mustard, you are correct, the debate is over and the science has shown there is now warming but actually a cooling trend.

Did you some how miss climategate and the fact that most or all of the papers put forward by the IPCC were not peer reviewed and refuted by actual scientists?

[chuckChuck]

Pars,
From your previous post:
"Well, those "overwhelming majority of climate scientists" also had difficulty not recognizing, but telling the truth.

"energy difficult to secure" : Hey, chuckiecowboy, there is enough oil in the Bakken underground, throughout the Dakotas and Saskkatchewan, to look after Canada's energy supply every year until lilacs decide to not bloom."

Response
Britains inquiry into "climategate" did not show the science to be unsound.

It does not matter if we have billions of barrels of reserves in the tar sands and the bakken. Only a small percentage of those reserves are economically available at the current time. Under NAFTA we are obligated to continue to supply the US. When world demand exceeds supply then prices will increase. Unless you are advocating that we impose regulated prices and control exports, Canada will be paying world prices for energy.

[parsley]

chuckles

Because HRH Charlie probably funded the report to which you refer, and since he is an irresistable global hearthrob , I will blindly accept whatever that particular report states.

Absolute destiny? No. ie Canada can withdraw from/rewrite Nafa. Pars

[gregpet]

Well then chuck, if you are concerned about the quantity of fuel available the first thing you would want to do is to <b>REMOVE</b> all the emission control devices on vehicles and equipment to <b>REDUCE</b> fuel usage. Better fuel mileage means less fuel used. Since the science from the IPCC was fraudulent, there is no proof the man made emissions contribute to the myth of global warming. Remember we are in a cooling trend.

[Jay-mo]

Anyone with a brain should always be suspicious whenever anyone tells you the "debate is long over" on any issue.

It's usually a desperate arguement when they are grasping at straws.

[FarmRanger]

<i> Britains inquiry into "climategate" did not show the science to be unsound.</i>
Scientists are caught red handed sending emails back and forth which admit they have had to fudge climate data to fit into a prescribed narrative justifying grant money flowing their way. If the science is so sound they wouldn’t have to <i>“hide the decline” .</i> in temperatures, or remove weather station data which doesn’t support their lucrative theory, or fail to question data from weather stations which have glaringly obvious warm bias from urban heat island effect. Maybe we shouldn’t be asking the fox to be reporting on how the chickens are doing?

<i>Unless you are advocating that we impose regulated prices and control exports, Canada will be paying world prices for energy.</i>
Canadians already pay far more than the world price for energy through taxation. These taxes aren’t applied to energy we export (nor could they be as buyers would simply go elsewhere). This makes energy more expensive for our own industries, which is a whole other problem.

Thanks Parsley for pointing out (again) that this scam that won’t have any appreciable effect on climate, but will make sure energy usage switches from western economies to developing countries without the stringent environmental laws we have in place here. A socialist wealth redistribution scheme that a few western elites can skim off of the top, leaving the rest of us to pay the bill.

[chuckChuck]

Ranger,
So when oil hit nearly 150 US per barrel and Exxon made 40 billion in profit in one quarter was this not a transfer of wealth from consumers pocket to Exxon shareholders? Perhaps you don't mind if Exxon takes excessive profits out of your pocket? At least when governments tax energy, the money can be used to pay down debt, build roads, fund healthcare, education, and research alternatives etc. Who do you think will act in the best long term interest of consumers, Exxon or the governments that are elected by a democratic process?

[parsley]

"Exxon takes excessive profits out of your pocket"

You view it as your right to take a percentage of others' wealth creation and put it in your purse.

It is called stealing.
Governments legislate stealing.

It is a view that equates taking a vote for a piece of the action, and calling it democtratic.

it is a view I find deplorable. It is a view I cannot reconcile with decency.

It is a philosophy of envy. Parsley

[parsley]

And further cc:

All, the so-called "poor nations" were functional societies long before 1867 (our Confederation). Most of them have 365 days per year growing seasons.

I will say this clearly.

Iceland just went backrupt. They have a cold clime. They have not a lot of "soil" They had a climatic ash disaster.

Are they rioting, or screwing up their elections, or screaming for the international community to build them an "equal just society"?

No. They are prepared to build their own.

Haiti, for example, et al, would do well to get off their collective asses and rebuild their own country instead of spending their time and money dressing up in designer clothes for foreign cameras, tuning their mp3's to Cancuners plotting how to percentage taxes from farmranger's bushels.

That my dear chuckychuckchuck, will hopefully persuade you, softly I might add, that I am a hardliner.

"You want it? Work for it." Parsley

[mustardman]

Parsley please unbutton your Victorian collar as its cutting off the blood flow to your Brain. lol


Get a grip on reality, Iceland went bankrupt due to greedy bankers in the US exporting worthless crap investments (mortgages) around the world
I don't know who you saw with designer clothes in haiti are you sure you weren't looking in the mirror?

[chuckChuck]

This just in "2010 set to be Canada's warmest year" From the World Meterological Organization. See link.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/12/02/climate-change-cancun-wmo.html

Must be a bunch of socialists trying to redistribute the wealth by misreading their thermometers!

Parsley you are losing touch with reality. Since when did Conservatives not support collecting taxes to pay for roads, education and healthcare?

[chuckChuck]

Further to my point Parsley. You obviously think corporations should make public policy.

You are so far out on the fringe that you make David Frum (former Bush advisor and speech writer look like a moderate)

Just saw a article in the New York Times magazine about the Tea Party penned by Frum. Even Frum has the sense to know that not all tax cuts pay for themselves and that a publicly funded saftey net for the unemployed and those who can't work is good public policy. The point being that if you lose your job and have 0 income you can't even pay your rent and buy the basics. It is very important for economic stability in a recession to keep the money flowing.

[parsley]

1. I stated up front I am a hardliner.Don't feign indignance.

2. Of course Iceland went bankrupt due to bad choices. My point is they are living with their choices. Betcha they don't do it again. LOL

3. CP/LIb/NDP all depend on legislated stealing. Admit it is stealing. You consider it your entitlement.Both of you would stal more and more and more, every penny you could because you feel entitled!

4. Every country can steal money from their own citizens and pay their unemployed if they so wish. But I am not prepared to stand by silent as foreign countires decide to steal Canadian environmental checkoffs to dole out to their lazy, to their victims. or to their unemployed. They must supposrt themselves.

5. chuckles, you know full well I believe governments should be regulators. Not players. Fair rules must be made by governments. And enforced. What's new and different about my position? Lawsey, for being chuckie, you're a bit sluggish today. Parsley

[chuckChuck]

Parsley,
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. They have nearly deforested the entire land. They experienced a devastating earthquake. Are in the midst of a terrible cholera outbreak. They often experience huricanes and have a very poor or non-existent democracy and you expect them to recover without outside help? And all you can say is get off their asses? Does that include the orphaned children who lost their entire family? The people who lost legs and arms? And the sick and dying lying in large tents waiting to die?