Climate Change Schemers in Mexico

[FarmRanger]

<i> Britains inquiry into "climategate" did not show the science to be unsound.</i>
Scientists are caught red handed sending emails back and forth which admit they have had to fudge climate data to fit into a prescribed narrative justifying grant money flowing their way. If the science is so sound they wouldn’t have to <i>“hide the decline” .</i> in temperatures, or remove weather station data which doesn’t support their lucrative theory, or fail to question data from weather stations which have glaringly obvious warm bias from urban heat island effect. Maybe we shouldn’t be asking the fox to be reporting on how the chickens are doing?

<i>Unless you are advocating that we impose regulated prices and control exports, Canada will be paying world prices for energy.</i>
Canadians already pay far more than the world price for energy through taxation. These taxes aren’t applied to energy we export (nor could they be as buyers would simply go elsewhere). This makes energy more expensive for our own industries, which is a whole other problem.

Thanks Parsley for pointing out (again) that this scam that won’t have any appreciable effect on climate, but will make sure energy usage switches from western economies to developing countries without the stringent environmental laws we have in place here. A socialist wealth redistribution scheme that a few western elites can skim off of the top, leaving the rest of us to pay the bill.

[chuckChuck]

Ranger,
So when oil hit nearly 150 US per barrel and Exxon made 40 billion in profit in one quarter was this not a transfer of wealth from consumers pocket to Exxon shareholders? Perhaps you don't mind if Exxon takes excessive profits out of your pocket? At least when governments tax energy, the money can be used to pay down debt, build roads, fund healthcare, education, and research alternatives etc. Who do you think will act in the best long term interest of consumers, Exxon or the governments that are elected by a democratic process?

[parsley]

"Exxon takes excessive profits out of your pocket"

You view it as your right to take a percentage of others' wealth creation and put it in your purse.

It is called stealing.
Governments legislate stealing.

It is a view that equates taking a vote for a piece of the action, and calling it democtratic.

it is a view I find deplorable. It is a view I cannot reconcile with decency.

It is a philosophy of envy. Parsley

[parsley]

And further cc:

All, the so-called "poor nations" were functional societies long before 1867 (our Confederation). Most of them have 365 days per year growing seasons.

I will say this clearly.

Iceland just went backrupt. They have a cold clime. They have not a lot of "soil" They had a climatic ash disaster.

Are they rioting, or screwing up their elections, or screaming for the international community to build them an "equal just society"?

No. They are prepared to build their own.

Haiti, for example, et al, would do well to get off their collective asses and rebuild their own country instead of spending their time and money dressing up in designer clothes for foreign cameras, tuning their mp3's to Cancuners plotting how to percentage taxes from farmranger's bushels.

That my dear chuckychuckchuck, will hopefully persuade you, softly I might add, that I am a hardliner.

"You want it? Work for it." Parsley

[mustardman]

Parsley please unbutton your Victorian collar as its cutting off the blood flow to your Brain. lol


Get a grip on reality, Iceland went bankrupt due to greedy bankers in the US exporting worthless crap investments (mortgages) around the world
I don't know who you saw with designer clothes in haiti are you sure you weren't looking in the mirror?

[chuckChuck]

This just in "2010 set to be Canada's warmest year" From the World Meterological Organization. See link.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/12/02/climate-change-cancun-wmo.html

Must be a bunch of socialists trying to redistribute the wealth by misreading their thermometers!

Parsley you are losing touch with reality. Since when did Conservatives not support collecting taxes to pay for roads, education and healthcare?

[chuckChuck]

Further to my point Parsley. You obviously think corporations should make public policy.

You are so far out on the fringe that you make David Frum (former Bush advisor and speech writer look like a moderate)

Just saw a article in the New York Times magazine about the Tea Party penned by Frum. Even Frum has the sense to know that not all tax cuts pay for themselves and that a publicly funded saftey net for the unemployed and those who can't work is good public policy. The point being that if you lose your job and have 0 income you can't even pay your rent and buy the basics. It is very important for economic stability in a recession to keep the money flowing.

[parsley]

1. I stated up front I am a hardliner.Don't feign indignance.

2. Of course Iceland went bankrupt due to bad choices. My point is they are living with their choices. Betcha they don't do it again. LOL

3. CP/LIb/NDP all depend on legislated stealing. Admit it is stealing. You consider it your entitlement.Both of you would stal more and more and more, every penny you could because you feel entitled!

4. Every country can steal money from their own citizens and pay their unemployed if they so wish. But I am not prepared to stand by silent as foreign countires decide to steal Canadian environmental checkoffs to dole out to their lazy, to their victims. or to their unemployed. They must supposrt themselves.

5. chuckles, you know full well I believe governments should be regulators. Not players. Fair rules must be made by governments. And enforced. What's new and different about my position? Lawsey, for being chuckie, you're a bit sluggish today. Parsley

[chuckChuck]

Parsley,
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. They have nearly deforested the entire land. They experienced a devastating earthquake. Are in the midst of a terrible cholera outbreak. They often experience huricanes and have a very poor or non-existent democracy and you expect them to recover without outside help? And all you can say is get off their asses? Does that include the orphaned children who lost their entire family? The people who lost legs and arms? And the sick and dying lying in large tents waiting to die?

[chuckChuck]

So Parsley. Are you going to return your share of all the subsidies and tax breaks you have received as a farmer?

How about the equalization that Saskatchewan received as a have not province? Should be able to calculate the per capita benefit over the years.

I know that your success in life was only because you are smart, worked hard and made your millions the old fashioned way with little support or benefits.

Perhaps you and your children benefited from subsidized education and health care?

You might not have done quite as well if you had been born in Haiti.

[chuckChuck]

BTW Parsley,
What are your thoughts on the article about Canada's warming climate?

[Hopperbin]

Enough of this bickering. All I want to know is how many carbon credits these guys paid to get get there and how much they paid for them. Anything under 500 per ton is a slap in the face. I stand my ground and look them in the face.