Response to Jdepape on the CWB

[bigsteve]

Since Ian White's appoitment,I have seen very little leadership.He seems to be little more than a puppet of the CWB's hyerarchy and their speech writers.Come on Ian,step up and be a man?

[charliep]

Here is a link to the Informa Economics report and the Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association response to the CWB response.

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<a href="http://www.wheatgrowers.ca/pdf/policy/Informa%20commentary%20_final_.pdf">respon se</a>

[oneoff]

When you try to understand someone else's logic; you might start on the basis that they are a human being and surely are driven by standards such as wishing that they would treat you as you would treat them.
However; that only has a chance if both parties; and everyone else involved in the debate recognizes their conflicts of interests and their level of greed and selfishness.
For innstance any SOB who supports the board and has fears that his easy access to the US or the world would be slammed shut if every other farmer had his special organic advantage; is making me more cynical by the month. And any registered seed grower that doesn't contribute back his US access advantage is a sick story in itself.
One would hope their attitudes will change; but they will not because that is a part of those people that they wish not to admit and recognize.
If real names were put to those staunch supporter pen names;then I suspect that the legitimate arguments of CWB positives could be supported by all but the equally radical few on the other extreme of the argument.

[parsley]

I am extreme.

I believe all farmers should have equal access to all marketing systems that are available to the public.

I believe that all farmers should be able to voluntarily participate or not participate in his marketing venue of choice.

I believe that legislative coercion directed at western Canadian farmers is blatantly unfair and immoral.

I believe that the Canadian Wheat Board has become an institution that exists for its' own self preservation and does not work in the interest of farmers.

I believe that farmers' money in the CWB pools is being squandered, and that farmers are looked upon as easy marks.

There are my observations and thoughts, and right or wrong, I own them.

My name is Carol Husband and if you don't like my comments, click on another thread.

Parsley

[parsley]

ps

"equal access" in this instance means equality of opportunity.

[TOM4CWB]

Oneoff,

Here are the ethical principals that were the foundation of western Canadian society Hard to believe even the CWB mentions the Common Law in tis code of conduct;


1a) Do unto others as you would have done unto you,
b) Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;
2a) Do not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and
b) Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally.
3a) That for every wrong there is a remedy,
b) The end does not justify the means,
c) Fundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,
d) Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,
e) Two wrongs do not make a right, and
f) One can enlarge the rights of the people; however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.

[oneoff]

Agreed wholeheartedly; Tom
But the challenge is to live up to such ideals.

[oneoff]

And good for you too; pars. I've agreed with you on previous occasions too. Right now I'm going to stick to signing my name to controversial letters to editors.
But what can be done (if anything)about our hypocritical and downright self centered neighbours who are proud of their supposed "community building"; but usually carefully try position themselves right on the middle of the fence (or the side with largest numbers); but almost always land on the side of maximum benefit to themselves.

[oneoff]

And good for you too; pars. I've agreed with you on previous occasions too. Right now I'm going to stick to signing my name to controversial letters to editors.
But what can be done (if anything)about our hypocritical and downright self centered neighbours who are proud of their supposed "community building"; but usually carefully try position themselves right on the middle of the fence (or the side with largest numbers); but almost always land on the side of maximum benefit to themselves.

[Kodiak]

Maybe he fell into a woodchuck hole.

[concerned]

I've followed some posts on here for awhile and the theory stuff is hard to apply. Jdepape is posting numbers and I prefer math to theory. I have a question to ask Mr. dePape (sorry for spelling if wrong). When you compare the cwb premium to the cwb costs, is it a apple to apple comparison? Are there any costs in the cwb cost number that would also be incurred by farmers with or without the board?

thanks
Joe

[TOM4CWB]

Concerned,

I agree with your need to look at these numbers with a concern that IF there were a change... would grain growers actually see more revenue at the farm gate?

If there were marketing choice... without a transparent arbitrage function in that market... (Eg ICE Canola futures) I seriously doubt any real and concrete savings would flow directly back to the farm gate in western Canada.

I believe it is absolutely necessary that the CWB prepare for both the opportunity to function in a transparent market place; as well as facilitate the tools that create arbitrage with the global market place for the produce the CWB is supposed to be marketing.

It is ironic: The CWB has stated in the past that no 'designated area' grain grower has ever marketed their own wheat or barley... only the CWB can do this (they claim because of the 'single desk').

Ironic,

Because the CWB does not market our board grains... it simply sells at what ever price the buyer chooses to pay... there is NO monopoly over the customer that buys our grain.

The buyer can refuse the CWB offer and decide to purchase product from a different origin outside the 'designated area'.

Therefore the CWB is like a discount liquidator... no obligation to return any specific cost to the grower. The discount factors the CWB has today; $15.95/t Adjustment Factor on CWRS for instance... is a much more important cost that is directly attributable to the 'single desk' monopoly over 'designated area' grain growers.

THE CWB MUST stop this arbitrary and vicious economic practice of discounting our produce... to pad the pool accounts... and in turn which prevents arbitrage with a valid and fair connection with our global export markets.

The CWB would be prevented from discount pricing... if they couldn't cover their 'discretionary' give away values with the tracks being washed away by the pool...