CWB OUTPERFORMS WITH 8.50 FLEXPRO

[parsley]

timm,

The real reason the CWB is not legitimate is because it erodes/takes away/expropriates/steals ownership.

Property ownership.

You have no right, absolutely ZERO right to eye up my property and proclaim any right to it because you expect a piece of it to pay for you getting what you might deem 'higher pooling returns." No one does.

Neither have you the right to swack off any artist's profit because you sketch a picture and want to pool the returns.

That kind of philosophy is pracriced by pnly the people who yearn for and demand the unearned.

That is morally wrong. You want to justify the use of legislated force so that you will be awarded more money.

Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible.

The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

Monetary-benefit justification for forced participation is despicable.

Is that what and who you are? Want to be?
Parsley

[parsley]

grassy,

We could take a vote online on AV for who buys each of us a coffee tonight.

If we voted democratically and you got the most votes, do you think it would be a legitmate action to stick you with the bill? Especially if silver was the sherrif and followed legislation that could throw you in jail if you refused to pay?

I think not.

That's what the CWB is.

An act of morally illegitimate property theft.

pars

[Happytrails]

Good points Pars and good questions at the end. However the marxist-leninists among us will likely answer in the affirmative. Can't shame them but exposing them is good. HT

[grassfarmer]

How appropriate that Happy Trails should come riding along on his moral high horse. I was just thinking of you when I read Parsley's last post with her comments:

"Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible. The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

For the benefit of folks here that don't visit the beef forum I'll explain. We were having a discussion recently on age verification of cattle (ranchers verifying their calves dates of birth on an on-line database) which certain of the luddite elements are opposed to. As it stands now some cattle that are not age verified bring a discount at auction and some posters were openly saying that they are happily (illegally) removing eartags off age verified calves and replacing them with their own tags which they then falsely age verify for financial benefit. I pointed out that if you don't like the age verification rules make a stand - don't age verify. But don't buy things discounted at auction from people more honest than yourself, cheat and make personal profit from them and then claim you are on some kind of moral crusade. Happy Trails was happily cheering on the law breakers and commented that "We need an industry based on credibility and quality not a public relations scam."
I challenged him to clarify whether he though law breaking, falsifying documents and deliberately miss-identifying the age of animals for personal gain add to either the credibility or quality of our product or our image as Canadian beef producers and I'm still awaiting an answer.
So which are you HT? A "greedier" or someone who wants a credible, quality system?

You also need to study up on what Marxists and Leninists really are because you obviously don't have a clue.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

NICE DIVERSION...

[grassfarmer]

Is that the best you can do TOM4BILL36? how about giving HT your speech about the evil of stealing from your neighbors?

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

Sorry... I forgot you are hard of hearing....

"Background:
CWB “About us Corporate code of business conduct (http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/about/people/code/)
Respect
Respect is not something that can be demonstrated with words – it comes through in behavior and actions. For the CWB, respect means that we treat everyone fairly, whether they are our farmer stakeholders, customers or our staff. It also means listening without bias and placing a value on others' opinions and ideas even if they differ from our own.
Integrity
We operate according to a strict code of conduct that gives a framework and purpose to our daily activities. This code demands that we are fair, honest, and ethical in all business transactions.”
[CWB Directors] “Code of Ethics (http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/about/people/board/)
I. PURPOSE AND OBJECTIVE
A. The purpose of this document is to establish standards of conduct expected and required of all Directors of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB). The objective is to enable the CWB to effectively achieve its mission by maintaining a reputation for the highest standard of public trust and confidence in serving western Canadian wheat and barley farmers and other producers as appropriate, its customers' and the public's interests.


III. DUTIES
Duties for corporate directors emanate from common law obligations and the provisions of the statute or instrument under which the company is incorporated. The following duties are applicable to directors and are in addition to any enactment or rule of law or equity relating to the duties of directors:” [Emphasis added]
Here are the Common Law Principals:
1a) Do unto others as you would have done unto you,
b) Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;
2a) Do not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and
b) Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally.
3a) That for every wrong there is a remedy,
b) The end does not justify the means,
c) Fundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,
d) Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,
e) Two wrongs do not make a right, and
f) One can enlarge the rights of the people; however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.
"Private property rights do not conflict with
human rights. They are human rights.
Private property rights are the rights of
humans to use specified goods and to exchange
them. Any restraint on private property rights
shifts the balance of power from impersonal
attributes toward personal attributes and toward
behavior that political authorities approve. That is
a fundamental reason for preference of a system
of strong private property rights: private property
rights protect individual liberty." Armen A. Alchian

Grassfarmer,

You can sell your beef to anyone anywhere... if you meet their food safety standards.

Grain growers simply need the same opportunity. By forefathers died and gave their lives to protect these privileges.

Grain growers gave their grain at far too often below cost... to help pay for the privileges you now have with your beef.... and fed the livestock this country grows. When grain prices are low... forage prices follow. You folks pay less for feed and Canola.

The cheap food policy Canada has... built on the backs of grain growers and their families.

When the CWB offers prices every business day of the year... with out the cross subsidies padding the pool accounts... we will begin the long trek back to fair trade and treatment of those who gave so much to build a better world!!!

Now grassy... does that help you understand what I meant to point out?

[parsley]

Timm's posting was:

CWB OUTPERFORMS WITH 8.50 FLEXPRO

Let's assume that Board supporters support the CWB because they get more money.

Timm's post reflects that assumption

I would ask, grassy and timm, but at what cost?

Is getting a few more dollars worth allowing the government to speak for you? Is it worth paying for countless staff who will still be there when Flexpro loses money, which it's bound to on some years?

The CWB legislation deducted buybacks from organic growers for decades, even though they never marketed organic grain. That money went into conventional pooling accounts. Was that fair? Can you honestly legitimize a by taxing them for no services rendered, and even going so far as to stop sales altogether?

So you can make a few cents/dollars more.

You see, with your plan...somebody pays for the scheme. organic growers have been for decades on the paying end.

One fellow had 20 or so quarters of land, paid over $2./bu buybacks.

YOU banked his money when you cashed your final payment.

He did the work and got squat. Pars

[blackjack]

Tom where have you lived for the last 20 to 30 years.Most farmers raised their own grain then fed it to the hogs,cattle or chickens.As time went on the livestock that was raised was sold at a loss.Why was that Tom?

[parsley]

....and where have you lived blackjack?

http:// cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/committee/391/agri/evidence/ev2446409/agriev23-e.htm#Int-1726201

This is the evidence given from one House of Commons' Committee for Agriculture and Agrifood meeting


"Not one bushel of organic grain that I've sold since 1999 has actually been traded in Canada, except one sale of feed grain to a local organic chicken place near Winnipeg. So all my grain has been shipped to Europe, the United States, or Japan.

I buy back every bushel from the Canadian Wheat Board, and I'm here to talk about this ridiculous buy-back feature that organic farmers have to go through.

For example, I bought back 462 tonnes of feed wheat in February--around 15,000 bushels--to ship to a place in the United States. The contract I signed was for a buy-back of $6.92 a tonne. I don't get the final results until the end of the crop year, so I just got a bill in the mail the other day for $11,000. That is a little over three times what the initial contract said. I don't know anybody who can run a business if you don't have any control over the costs.

I just grew a malt variety for an organic maltster in Missouri under contract. It was accepted, and I'm ready to ship 50,000 bushels of malt barley to this organic maltster in Missouri. The trucks are hired, the contract's been signed, and the only thing left to do is buy back the malt barley from the Canadian Wheat Board.

I phoned down for a buy-back and I couldn't believe it. The buy-back on malt barley that day was $2.65 a bushel. That meant I would have had to stroke a cheque to the Canadian Wheat Board for in the neighbourhood of $140,000 if I had bought back my malt barley that day. ....

What disgusts me so much is that they couldn't even buy the grain if I offered it to them. I can't take it near any of their facilities or it would be contaminated. Organic grain has to be shipped in a certified vessel. So even if I offered them the grain they couldn't buy it, at least in the experiences I've had with them.....

They have nothing to do with selling my grain. They have nothing to do with transporting my grain. They didn't find the buyer. I have all the expenses of growing it, yet I have to turn over a dollar a bushel to them just for the privilege of their buying my grain and then selling it back to me...."

Grow up, and understand the financial consequences from a government scheme, that impacts your neighbors. Pars

[grassfarmer]

"By forefathers died and gave their lives to protect these privileges."
TOM4BILL36 - They also set up the CWB as their grain marketing organisation of choice.

"When grain prices are low... forage prices follow. You folks pay less for feed and Canola."
But I thought canola was your prize example of a free market product that always traded at a high price because it was free of the CWB? You need to try and keep your stories straight.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

I DO keep my stories EXACTLY straight... the basis in particular on Canola is affected by the CWB.

Read John DePapes' articles.

I have to admit the fervour in which you use to defend CWB confiscation of my families grains... CERTAINLY PROVES MY POINTS IN TeCHNICOLOUR!!!

Go ahead; denigrate the sacrifice and blood shed by my kin made for your freedom... The CWB got its monopoly to take our grain in the Second world war... and then in 1947 extended it for 5 years to subsidise EU food: in case you forgot. bless you anyway Grassfarmer.