CWB OUTPERFORMS WITH 8.50 FLEXPRO

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

'GIVE' !?!

I had a miller from Britain laugh right in my face in Winnipeg Feb 23 2008. NO way the millers are going to pay for carrying costs... when 'designated area' wheat growers do this at NO COST.

The only 'premium' the CWB extract... or even has the power to extract... is FROM 'designated area' grain growers.

I sat 'grain' growers because the CWB affects all non-board prices when it forces the Board grains must be held in inventory with advances that are practically useless per/t values are so low.

timm Please take off your rose coloured glasses... the thorns keep pricking myself and my community!!!

The CWB marketing system is backwards.

[grassfarmer]

Silverback - can you lock in a price now for delivery of fed cattle in December 2011? If so I'd be interested in knowing at what price.
Mustardman - correct - the CWB is a farmer controlled marketing organisation. If the majority of the farmers think change is needed they will vote for that change - thus far they haven't.
Francisco - what's wrong? - couldn't you find anything on Google about COOL?
TOM4BILL36 - get used to it, the miller would still be laughing in your face if you achieved your "free market" fantasy.

[timm]

so we have two lame excuses of why the Cwb wont
work ....something about unfair protein testers and
uncertainty about what the basis might be in new crop
....boohoo

[FarmRanger]

<i>"If the majority of the farmers think change is
needed they will vote for that change - thus far
they haven't."</i>

I only ever voted once on any such thing and that
was the barley plebiscite. The price of barley
immediately jumped up for a few months until
freedom could be beaten down again, along with
the price of barley.

A vote for the conservatives was supposed to be
a defacto vote for market freedom, but that didn't
pan out either. So we're stuck doing crazy things
like selling #1 winter wheat to feeders because
the only legal buyer for winter wheat is paying
30 cents per bushel less than feed. I wish I had
a penny for every tonne of good durum and
spring wheat that got fed to cows last winter too.

Anyone who thinks this isn't a disgrace either
doesn't grow any wheat or swallows the
propaganda without question.

<i>...."the miller would still be laughing in your
face if you achieved your "free market"
fantasy"</i>
It's a bitter irony that anti-free marketers seem to
think every buyer is an enemy, except the very
one who is actually sticking it to us.

[silverback]

timm,

Answer the question, why can I not, in this excellent system that you love, lock in a price right now for delivery in December? & pick up the full cheque amount that day?

Why can American farmers do that right now?

It shouldn't be that tough should it?

[grassfarmer]

Farmranger - try using the elections to elect the directors you want. That's why TOM4BILL36 stood, it's why your guy Vos was standing. Trouble seems you guys can't organise yourselves whether to vote or abstain. That - and the fact the ones wanting change - ARE IN THE MINORITY!

Again the CWB is not a buyer - it is a marketing agency with farmer directors, and farmer elections. If you want change convince the majority and your change will come.

[parsley]

timm,

The real reason the CWB is not legitimate is because it erodes/takes away/expropriates/steals ownership.

Property ownership.

You have no right, absolutely ZERO right to eye up my property and proclaim any right to it because you expect a piece of it to pay for you getting what you might deem 'higher pooling returns." No one does.

Neither have you the right to swack off any artist's profit because you sketch a picture and want to pool the returns.

That kind of philosophy is pracriced by pnly the people who yearn for and demand the unearned.

That is morally wrong. You want to justify the use of legislated force so that you will be awarded more money.

Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible.

The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

Monetary-benefit justification for forced participation is despicable.

Is that what and who you are? Want to be?
Parsley

[parsley]

grassy,

We could take a vote online on AV for who buys each of us a coffee tonight.

If we voted democratically and you got the most votes, do you think it would be a legitmate action to stick you with the bill? Especially if silver was the sherrif and followed legislation that could throw you in jail if you refused to pay?

I think not.

That's what the CWB is.

An act of morally illegitimate property theft.

pars

[Happytrails]

Good points Pars and good questions at the end. However the marxist-leninists among us will likely answer in the affirmative. Can't shame them but exposing them is good. HT

[grassfarmer]

How appropriate that Happy Trails should come riding along on his moral high horse. I was just thinking of you when I read Parsley's last post with her comments:

"Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible. The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

For the benefit of folks here that don't visit the beef forum I'll explain. We were having a discussion recently on age verification of cattle (ranchers verifying their calves dates of birth on an on-line database) which certain of the luddite elements are opposed to. As it stands now some cattle that are not age verified bring a discount at auction and some posters were openly saying that they are happily (illegally) removing eartags off age verified calves and replacing them with their own tags which they then falsely age verify for financial benefit. I pointed out that if you don't like the age verification rules make a stand - don't age verify. But don't buy things discounted at auction from people more honest than yourself, cheat and make personal profit from them and then claim you are on some kind of moral crusade. Happy Trails was happily cheering on the law breakers and commented that "We need an industry based on credibility and quality not a public relations scam."
I challenged him to clarify whether he though law breaking, falsifying documents and deliberately miss-identifying the age of animals for personal gain add to either the credibility or quality of our product or our image as Canadian beef producers and I'm still awaiting an answer.
So which are you HT? A "greedier" or someone who wants a credible, quality system?

You also need to study up on what Marxists and Leninists really are because you obviously don't have a clue.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

NICE DIVERSION...

[grassfarmer]

Is that the best you can do TOM4BILL36? how about giving HT your speech about the evil of stealing from your neighbors?

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

Sorry... I forgot you are hard of hearing....

"Background:
CWB “About us Corporate code of business conduct (http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/about/people/code/)
Respect
Respect is not something that can be demonstrated with words – it comes through in behavior and actions. For the CWB, respect means that we treat everyone fairly, whether they are our farmer stakeholders, customers or our staff. It also means listening without bias and placing a value on others' opinions and ideas even if they differ from our own.
Integrity
We operate according to a strict code of conduct that gives a framework and purpose to our daily activities. This code demands that we are fair, honest, and ethical in all business transactions.”
[CWB Directors] “Code of Ethics (http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/about/people/board/)
I. PURPOSE AND OBJECTIVE
A. The purpose of this document is to establish standards of conduct expected and required of all Directors of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB). The objective is to enable the CWB to effectively achieve its mission by maintaining a reputation for the highest standard of public trust and confidence in serving western Canadian wheat and barley farmers and other producers as appropriate, its customers' and the public's interests.


III. DUTIES
Duties for corporate directors emanate from common law obligations and the provisions of the statute or instrument under which the company is incorporated. The following duties are applicable to directors and are in addition to any enactment or rule of law or equity relating to the duties of directors:” [Emphasis added]
Here are the Common Law Principals:
1a) Do unto others as you would have done unto you,
b) Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;
2a) Do not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and
b) Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally.
3a) That for every wrong there is a remedy,
b) The end does not justify the means,
c) Fundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,
d) Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,
e) Two wrongs do not make a right, and
f) One can enlarge the rights of the people; however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.
"Private property rights do not conflict with
human rights. They are human rights.
Private property rights are the rights of
humans to use specified goods and to exchange
them. Any restraint on private property rights
shifts the balance of power from impersonal
attributes toward personal attributes and toward
behavior that political authorities approve. That is
a fundamental reason for preference of a system
of strong private property rights: private property
rights protect individual liberty." Armen A. Alchian

Grassfarmer,

You can sell your beef to anyone anywhere... if you meet their food safety standards.

Grain growers simply need the same opportunity. By forefathers died and gave their lives to protect these privileges.

Grain growers gave their grain at far too often below cost... to help pay for the privileges you now have with your beef.... and fed the livestock this country grows. When grain prices are low... forage prices follow. You folks pay less for feed and Canola.

The cheap food policy Canada has... built on the backs of grain growers and their families.

When the CWB offers prices every business day of the year... with out the cross subsidies padding the pool accounts... we will begin the long trek back to fair trade and treatment of those who gave so much to build a better world!!!

Now grassy... does that help you understand what I meant to point out?

[parsley]

Timm's posting was:

CWB OUTPERFORMS WITH 8.50 FLEXPRO

Let's assume that Board supporters support the CWB because they get more money.

Timm's post reflects that assumption

I would ask, grassy and timm, but at what cost?

Is getting a few more dollars worth allowing the government to speak for you? Is it worth paying for countless staff who will still be there when Flexpro loses money, which it's bound to on some years?

The CWB legislation deducted buybacks from organic growers for decades, even though they never marketed organic grain. That money went into conventional pooling accounts. Was that fair? Can you honestly legitimize a by taxing them for no services rendered, and even going so far as to stop sales altogether?

So you can make a few cents/dollars more.

You see, with your plan...somebody pays for the scheme. organic growers have been for decades on the paying end.

One fellow had 20 or so quarters of land, paid over $2./bu buybacks.

YOU banked his money when you cashed your final payment.

He did the work and got squat. Pars

[blackjack]

Tom where have you lived for the last 20 to 30 years.Most farmers raised their own grain then fed it to the hogs,cattle or chickens.As time went on the livestock that was raised was sold at a loss.Why was that Tom?