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    3G Network: Solution to Rural High Speed internet Service; OR NOT???

    An impressive number of rural Sask residents either have access to 3G Wireless or soon will. There are "75.00 dollar" Mobile Data Internet Plans that are advertised as "unlimited data"

    In regards to the Internet Stick; which I understand is a modem that can provide Wireless internet service to a compatible 3G router that can wirelessly serve your LAN computers and devices within range:

    In my opinion these combinations of hardware and internet service plans could be the solution to bringing telecommunication needs and internet services near the levels enjoyed by more populated areas of our province.


    However there are potential disturbing clauses in the Terms of Usage that could cripple full use of most potential applications; especially with the "unlimited data" plans. I suspect this could potentially occur whenever (and if ever) the provider (Sasktel) choses to enforce the terms of the agreements.
    If Sasktel forced full compliance with every customers acceptance of the Terms of Use; there is no streaming of radio or television feeds allowed; no UTube video; no connection to Skype or magicjack; no downloading any music or television, sports, movies etc; no P2P sharing or downloading; no "Rapidshare type monkey business"; no GPS base station correction data; no automated data relaying; and an absolute limit of 7 GB per month. Thats a couple of Blue-Ray (high definition) movies which might take 10 minutes at a 7MB/sec download rate that reports say is available with the "awesome" 3G wireless capabilities (in fact there is a theoretical 21 MB/ sec maximum capacity for future expansion.}

    SO WHAT IS LEFT


    The question is; who needs anything approaching 3G speeds if no one can do anything except access their email; look at crop prices and the weather type web pages and IM (whatever that is; and of course I will find out if it is ever something that fits in with a use for myself). If that were enforced by any ISP in a city; every last subscriber would soon move to an alternative that allowed way more services for lots less money.

    To Sasktel's credit (so far); I've not heard of any need for cracking down on users who are not dragging down the level of service to other customers; and who are not consuming bandwidth that impacts others. There aren't any real hints that the vast majority of users are monitored; and Sasktel appears to be working hard to maintain the highest customer saisfaction levels possible. And certainly options must be reserved to deal with those possibilities, but its pretty darn clear what the legal agreements could possibly mean by any company who suddenly didn't care about their customers satisfaction levels.


    I'm leaning to outright purchase of an Internet Stick and subscribing on a month to month basis. Afterall; there are several other options out there; including I understand; big boys such as Bell service. Those type options are last resorts; and I hope our phone company treats rural Sask. fairly with this potentially wonderful service.

    What are actual user's experiences?

    #2
    I have 3G/Edge on my Rogers iPhone...

    I tether it to my in-cab computers to transfer coverage/mapping/application/performance data between the (for instance) combine and office, or sprayer and office...

    I download youtube videos, music, and apps from the app store... teather it to my laptop on the road... never had any issues with the ToS....

    I'd like to see which lines of the TOS you're referencing?

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      #3
      Was told that it would be extremely slow if you use one computer as a base and run other computers from that base for your home network.

      That's what I was told anyway. Staying with YourLink for now.

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        #4
        gregpet,

        The family are setting up with Bell.

        Tethering wireless to laptops etc. was said to be supported... but in the fine print it looks like Bell can charge $15,000/GB or $15/MB.

        Watch out!

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          #5
          Also the speed of the connection may (meant will be) adversely affected. Said the result would be very slow and we would not be happy running a home network off a 3G Sasktel system yet.

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            #6
            Not a comparison as we live in different countrys.
            Australia has been on 3g now for 2 yrs since analogue service got shut down.

            Im on a Im on a Super G fast 10gb plan for $125 per month on home computer,download anything watch anything.

            Were stuck with one provider basically in the bush in australia as other providers rent space on the towers etc.
            Sattelite is a option but many say it works out about the same cost.

            In the city however they get same plans for about 1/2 the cost.From a multitude of providers.

            Our last election here federally was basically won on faster internet for all australians and its turning out to be white elephant

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              #7
              Who gives a flyin' F*ck about Australia??? I know I don't. Could careless if you's dropped off da face of da earth.......

              Hey oneoff you ehoff??? If so nothin' but respect.....

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                #8
                Here's the link:

                http://www.sasktel.com/search/controller//Mobile-internet-plans/_/R-Product_Services_Mobile_internet_plans


                And here's a bit of the words that bother me :

                2.2 Mobile Internet, Smartphone and BlackBerry Access service may not be used: (i)
                for Peer to Peer applications such as music download services; (ii) for uploading,
                downloading or streaming of movies, music or games; (iii) with server devices or
                with host computer applications other than the BlackBerry Enterprise Service,
                including without limitation, Web camera posts or broadcasts, continuous jpeg file
                transfers, automatic data feeds, telemetry applications, automated functions or any
                other machine-to-machine applications; (iv) as a substitute for backup for private
                lines or dedicated data connections; (v) for Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP);
                (vi) for multi-media streaming; (vii) for any other application which uses excessive
                network capacity or may otherwise adversely impact other users, where such
                application is not made available to you by SaskTel; and (viii) in any manner that
                consumes excess network capacity or affects, degrades or interferes with SaskTel’s
                ability to provide services including the Service, to others, as determined by
                SaskTel.

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                  #9
                  BTO,

                  I care about Australia, and it is great that we can work on marketing issues and the global economy together.

                  My grain marketing info with the most practical insights come from AU.

                  Some serious attitude adjustment is required if you actually want to be positive and constructive... Craig was right... be helpful!!!

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                    #10
                    I apologize to Austrailia and the rest of the world for comments that have less than zero value. I don't know how anyone could be so crude; and have no idea what motives drive some people.

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                      #11
                      Unless the Internet Service Provider (ISP such as Sasktel) IS DELIBERATELY THROTTLING the bandwidth to the "Internet Stick" (also known as a modem) then there is no reason for a home computer or even a rural Local Area Network (through a router and maybe further access points etc); to be slow with available 3G service.
                      There's also no sense having a fast system if there is no way to use it.
                      But so far I'm not convinced that Unlimited Mobile Data and an Internet Stick won't work. I'm only very wary.
                      I've talked to Sasktel and they have difficulty finding the document regarding "Terms of Use". Its not something anyone talks about; I guess; but it does have serious potential implications. The most important point is if 3G will be allowed to do the things you are looking for in a high speed home internet system.
                      Anyway; I have talked at length to Sasktel; and found them very pleasant and maybe even understanding. By the end of the conversations; "Tech support" was involved; and even they had consulted with others and in the end read back the legal jargon referred to in the previous posts. That was totally expected from employees who certainly must relay what the lawyers and bosses have decided.
                      However, it is the punishment possibilities and other consequences that are important in real life. Every one of those Sasktel employees and every one of the rest of internet users has watched streaming video or listened to a downloaded song or movie; and there has probably never been any repercussions; and maybe there never will be. Apparently those acts and a whole list of others are no no's; but is it worth losing sleep over; or deliberately missing out on all the other benefits of having a rural high speed internet system that is taken for granted by our urban relatives. Surely all we must do is be willing to suffer the consequences; if any.
                      What I do know is that Sasktel is interested in satisfied customers; and also that they want as many more of them as they can get. Thats why they are offering basically"unlimited everything" on their wireless plans till Feb 28/2011. Read the fine print and the "terms of use" agreements you must sign and the uneasiness will begin. The fine print in no way says that even the promotional "unlimited" in any way means unlimited. Its 7 GB per month maximum if the ISP decides to to enforce it.

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                        #12
                        Live on a farm and only had dial up. Got 3G and love it. 40 times faster than dial up and does not tie up our phone line. Simple to intall no tower needed like other rural high speed systems. I love my 3G.

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                          #13
                          newguy, is it just on a single computer or are you running a network?

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                            #14
                            The same Terms of Serice (TOS I guess) applies to Mobile Internet, Smartphones and Blackberry service (see section 2.2 in a previus post regarding the Sasktel agreement) every user must acknowledge before signing up.
                            What this boils down to is that under a dial up agreement an ISP such as Sasktel doesn't have to worry about you streaming movies or setting up your phone system. There just isn't enough bandwidth to even think about those possibilities.
                            It's a different story when you can upload or download 3 or 7 or 21 or 42MB/sec; and at rates of 0.05 per MB all the way to tens of dollars per MB; then every last one of us had better pay a lot of attention to the costs; and what the limitations are (and even what unlimited really is interpreted to mean)

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                              #15
                              using Bell stick and service is getting better. We can now stream video most of the time...which when combined with me home this winter resulted in a 150 bill last month...if you go over the $75/month plan they double it...needless to say I am looking into the service our rural gas coop is offering?

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