Regulation, Procedures, and Rules for Triffid

[parsley]

The point of organics is to value add as much as possible ON the farm, and then sell GM-free product DIRECTLY to the end user. Pars

[parsley]

GM Grain modifiers spread contagion through stealth.

So much of the biotech industry operates in an environment of practiced secrecy because it is neither trusted/embraced very much by farmers or consumers.

Given labelling, most consumers would consider a "genetically modified" label akin to a '30% herpes" label, which is why there is no labelling.

"It just don't sell, honey," and GM grain modifiers know it.

When flax GM modifiers and the Flax Council ruined overseas Flax markets for everyone by knowingly and arrogantly not following the pre-accepted "No GM' rules of trade, and that same arrogance followed its' unmitigatred gall to tell overseas and export buyers how stupid they are; that the EU iotself is the reason that the flax market is in the toilet


GM Grain Cloners like yourself will claim "HT canola or any other crops and are safe for food feed and the environment" in spite of the fact the buyer has specifically stated they do not want what GM modifier-Cloners are trying to force him to buy.

And the EU was clear right from the getgo.


A: And how can GM Grain Cloners guarantee safety?
A: Because the biotech industry change their name, and cut and run at the first sign of trouble.

GM Grain Cloners are not at all afraid to disparage rules if the rule's requirmements cannot be met by them.

Nor are cloners the least bit reticent nor regretfull to ruin an entire organic industry who originally worked very hard to establish an overseas market in the first place.

"What it isn't safe against is politics" you say?

Yes, well, wd.

I will give you full credit for understanding politics; particularly the politics of 'hit with contamination' and 'run from responsibility "

And all with tax dollars. Parsley

[oneoff]

"Lots of organic growers have recieved back international testing results at 0%."

You can have several good points in a row and then you come up with a dumb statement like the above. It completely destroys your credability on not only that point; but also makes a person question whether you are being truly sincere on anything you have ever printed "Lots of organic growers have recieved back international testing results at 0%".
That is the test that we have all been looking for. If only we knew what you are talking about.
I call bull shit.

[oneoff]

And my comment above also applies to every registered seed grower who has ever advertisised his product as Triffid free. And the same applies to the industry and the Flax Council etc. which claims to be well on the road to ridding the world of the Triffid gene.
Another half dozen iternerations and you will haave absolutely everyone convinced; if only because it has been repeated so many times. No matter how many times you rewrite history; a little bit of Triffid will always be with us; and we will never get the level to zero percent until there really is a test for zero percent. And not even an agri-viller has access to that yet; let alone anyone in the world having the resolve and perserverance to reach that goal.

[parsley]

Growers send samples of grain, quite often two large bags, to an international genetic testing company. there are several of them who have specialized equipment and perform ALL the tests.

There are a couple of companies who test organics who will be accepted as a qualified tester in established organic markets.

Some growers sent samples to more then one company. They have recieved full, timely reports.

Some companies have sometimes done genetic testing after the oil is pressed.

The tests are expensive.

Logs are kept on test results which must be submitted for export or processing. Anomalies or complaints are logged.

So far, organic buyers are confident in the protocol and equipment used,and the test results.

Obviously EU and NA buyers still consider the possibility of the Triffid risk still low enough for still buying the product.

If there is no meaningful effort to lessen Triffid's spread, perhaps the organic flax market will go the way of the canola market and another oil will take the place of flax.

In the meatime, organics will continue to do its' best to remain detatched from Triffid contamination possibilities.

If you are not satisfied, as an organic buyer, then I suggest you shop where you have full confidence. Pars

[oneoff]

Pars: Your last post contains not one shred of worthwhile information. When you provide at least the name of one company that tests for zero percent, absolutely Triffid free flax; then we will be able to start to verify that those companies are reputable and not just taking organic producers money and telling your industry and consumers what they hope to hear. Your explanation has "SCAM" written all over it. Exactly what are the names and addresses of the referred to companies. If it is expensive then what is the precise cost. If there are two bags of samples then what exactly are the sizes. If tests are performed then exactly what are the tests. I suppose that those companies won't test conventional flax because that may contaminate their equipment. I'll bet that the company you refer to doesn't have any equipment to test for Triffid-free because as far as I know (and everyone else knows) none of your vague and comforting explanation exists on the face of this earth.

I truly hope you do indeed know what you are talking about Pars. Please confine your answer to the Triffid-free tests you know about; because I too have some detective skills that I'm prepared to apply to this key question.

[wd9]

Parsely, lots of farmers don't grow rr polish canola, or T45, or oxy 235. But some do. Its not the lots that are the problem. And that is where a realistic tolerance be it chemical or genetic makes the difference between an industry that can follow the rules and prove it and one that is impossible to prove and or implement.

[wd9]

Triffid will never disappear completely. Agreed.

[parsley]

Both Organic farmers and buyers have a wide array of cerification bodies, as well as testing bodies to CHOOSE from.

The most recent flax we sold was tested before it left the farm by an international firm, but please pick your own testing compnay, and do your own homework.(DYOD) :

http://www.genetic-id.com/Pages_Link/Test-for-GM-Flax-FP967.aspx

The buyer was satisfied, and paid for the shipment.

If you would like refined details, I suggest you call their test hotline in the country and language of your choice, and specifically refer to Triffid testing specs.

Keep in mind that each organic flax-buying company sells manufactured product to targeted consumers, and he might choose his certifying and testing partners.

Just as organics makes choices, Conventional vs organic also might choose very different partners.

A small organic private label flaxoil company in Provence has different requirements than does conventional Unilever supplying mustard powder for the Rhine.
Same for wine.
Same for flax oil. etc.

My choice is mine, and should not be construed as an advisement.

Testing will indeed bring controversy:

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/may10/gm_flax_contamination.php

That being said, no one foists organics on you. It is your choice whether or not to buy organic or eat organic. As it is my buyers' choice.

A thought for you:

With 'biotech-creep'(liken it to creep in engineering) in play, organics will inevitably be removed from your menu of choice.

Instead, food will abound with conflicting biotech Events that have expired, (except for the ones renewed post-expiry by lobbied politicians's repreentatives negotiating additional extension periods during Int'l trade talks), constantly negotiated upwards, creeping up rapidly, from .01% to 0.9% to 0.79% to "unknown".

Politics indeed.

Do you know of any Canadian trade talks lobbying for LESS tolerances? LOL

Genetic Event-soup is what today's grandchildren will eat 3x a day.

Pars

[parsley]

What about say, a Canola Event like GT73, that shows up in prepared mustard on shelves?

The only way high levels of GT73 can show up in your mustard is if canola has cross-pollinated with mustard in the fields.

Maybe blue radishes fortified with capsicum and peppermint will cross pollinate as well, a potpurri, for that tasty hotdog that bites you back. Pars

[oneoff]

Pars: Those last two posts were your poorest defenses ever. I again ask for a single lead to a credible Triffid flax testing lab that can test for sure that a given flax sample indeed contains 0% Triffid contamination. You will indeed do us a great service if what you claim for organics is true. If your pen got ahead of what you can back up; then a feeding of conventional humble pie is in order. You won't get out of that punishment just because you only eat organic food. And I won't stand for any less punishment than my choice of the available varieties of Flax containing humble pies.

[oneoff]

Thankyou for the link to Geneteic ID.
The pdf file wouldn't display on the first computer I tried; but all is well now. Perhaps I have found where all the false analyses of "Triffid-free" believers; zero percent Triffid tests; and polluters of the printed word and airwaves who have become detached from the facts.
This quote comes from the German "Genetic ID" link provided by Pars

"Because neither a safety assessment by the EU nor an application for approval has been submitted for this GMO, zero tolerance applies. This means that any raw material or flax/linseed derivative analysed to be positive for FP967/CDC Triffid is not marketable in the EU"

There are two sentenses in that quote. It doesn't mean that a negative test equates to zero presence of Triffid contamination. Logic says that Triffid content between zero and the test sensitivity will most of the time be reported as a negative test. But it is clear that unless you consider one in ten thousand to be zero or nothing to be concerned about; then you're probably eating the same Triffid content as the rest of the world. The first line of the quote clearly defines what is acceptable in the EU. No one can sugar coat that.
Does any ISO certified testing lab say that any sample contains no FP967/CDC Triffid content? You may be brainwashed enough to think that is so; and worse still may be brainwashing others to believe that organic flax contains no GM material and that the best conventional flax is at least 0.01%; but its pretty evident that all ISO 17025 labs are fully validated to the same standards.
Welcome to eating GM foods; and the real probability that when contamination is widespread and exported to dozens of countries; and no method to detect traces below 0.01% in organic or conventional food; that you run the same risk of ingesting; inbibing; contacting; smelling and seeing every conceivable flax product with traces of Triffid for the rest of your life.
Welcome to the real world.