Regulation, Procedures, and Rules for Triffid

[wd9]

How much triffid is there in organic flax?

[parsley]

"Contamination worse than feared in German dioxin scandal
Post a commentBy Rory Harrington, 06-Jan-2011

Related topics: Food Alerts

German authorities have said up to 3,000 tonnes of dioxin-contaminated animal feed additive may have been sold – almost six times more than previously estimated - as more details about the crisis emerged yesterday.

Officials had earlier estimated that 527 tonnes of the additive, which is believed to have been tainted with industrial fats containing the toxic chemical, have been delivered to hen, poultry and pig farms in Germany.

A spokesperson for EU Commissioner for Health and Consumer Policy John Dalli told the BBC it was "too early" to consider a ban on exports.

Contaminated eggs

The alarm was raised last week when eggs and meat containing trace amounts of dioxin were discovered. Dioxin is a poisonous chemical, linked to the development of cancer in humans.

Some 136,000 contaminated eggs have been exported to the Netherlands that could have been used as ingredients in processed food such as mayonnaise, it was revealed yesterday. However, German agriculture ministry spokesman Holger Eichele said it was not aware of exports to any other EU nations.

The news came as police in Germany carried out searches Wednesday at Harles and Jentzsch, feed producer at the centre of incident, the farm in Schleswig-Holstein that produced the fat, and a subsidiary in Lower Saxony.

Harles and Jentzsch sold the fat to 25 German feed manufacturers although it currently appears that no feed was sold to firms abroad.

So far more than 1,100 farms in Germany have been shut as a result of the crisis, most in Lower Saxony, and some 8,000 hens culled.

The European Union has demanded an explanation for the cause of the contamination and there have been calls within Germany for stricter industry regulation and tougher penalties against offenders.

The UK Food Standards Agency said there was no evidence to suggest that potentially contaminated animal feed, or food from the animals that may have eaten the feed, had entered the UK.


Should this conduct be treated like flax was?
Infractions will happen all the time, and does, particularly as we start to buy more and more food from China!


Questions to ask yourself:

1. Should the there be repercussions?

2. Should compliance be enforced

3. Should there be penalty for non-compliance?

What is responsibility? Do we want responsibility built into the system when it comes for food. I note some want to avoid all responsibility. Pars

[parsley]

"Maybe those organizations have a strategic plan, an execution strategy and ways of measuring/demonstrating success."

charliep, I like when you have sport with me, making me repeat myself. LOL

Of course they do. It's called tax dollars from the public purse, that become available in larger amounts when "producer support" aka checkoffs, become headlines and thereby legitimize governments to dole out largesse.

"They have worked with government as a supply chain to deal with issues like regualation, procedures and rules .."

Oh let me recall this one, lol, hm, ...could this mean heavy duty lobbying? could this mean compulsory checkoffing pending, but hiding under government blankies? Could this mean providing patents with no ownwership responsibilities?

How about quiet gentlemen-agreement government regs(We'll look the other way if it goes south)?

Are barley biotech planners copying the same regs, procedures and rules for barley, that were used for flax?

Worked well for industry's Christams gift. Tom cwb handed them some profit from a bin of flax.

The CEO of the Flax Council must have licked his finger and it stuck to stuck to page Page 1 Contents of "How to Ship Flax to EU According to Regulations" because he never got to page 2.


Btw, charlie p, did you know that "demonstrating success" doens't necessarily have anything to do with developing food you'd wactually ant your family to eat?

That's somebody playing tricks on you. LOL Pars

[wd9]

How much triffid is there in a bag of store bought super special and abundantly healthier organic flax? Nobody tested?

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

Is there a stuck program in your computer!

Is it a terroriffid macro program that has taken over your BTO?

[parsley]

No certified organic flax sales can be transacted unless the flax has been tested at a certified lab, a new regulation that was adopted by organics. If it doesn't pass for Triffid-free, or any all of the other certification requirements, it is then downgraded to soley selling at conventional grain prices.

Organics have used inspected cleaners and registered seed growers occassionally, but have become particularly cautious.

Some areas that have been deemed Triffid contaminated areas because of positive test results, are less likely to attract organics looking to get grain cleaned or organics looking to buy seed from any of the contaminated area's pedigreed seed growers.

Negative, certified tests must accompany flax export documentation.

As you well know, all trucks, yes all of them, were required to wash out their trailers before grain was loaded and the manifest signed by both trucker and producer; occassionally looked upon by commercial truckers as a bit fanatic., but always accomodated politely.

It was prudent.

Testing is done at various labs in NA, at the growers choice. Grain samples are often sent to buyers prior to a sale. International labs have worked with organic growers for years, as falling numbers had to accompany most milling wheat sales.

However, I am sure you are not interested the fine details of organic testing protocol. If you are, I suggest you google certified organic certification requirements. Parsley

[parsley]

Organics has traditionally marketed a lot of golden flax, as the price is better than brown flax. Pars

[wd9]

Looked hard for the spec but can't find. Is it 0%? Have a good web address?

[parsley]

Choose one of the many certification bodies available that you wish to examine. Some are provincial, some national, some are international. You might want to view both certification and accreditation that pertains to your selection. And then there is also national legislation pertaining to organics. All three work together. Pars

[oneoff]

I am humbled. Thankyou wd9
As for the rest of you who still talk about Triffid-free; nothing could be further from the truth. That word is not in the dictionary; and should not be in your vocabulary.

[parsley]

Worldwide:

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&biw=1138&bih=578&q=world organic certification&aq=f&aqi=g-v1&aql=&oq=world organic certification&gs_rfai=&fp=abf023fa88c5b3eb

Canadian:

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1155&bih=578&q=organic certification&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=ab f023fa88c5b3eb

USA:

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&biw=1138&bih=578&q= USA organic certification&aq=&aqi=g-sx1g1g-sx6g-msx1&aql=&oq= USA organic certification&gs_rfai=&fp=abf023fa88c5b3eb

You can googlle any country you want.

This is just a few. Pars

[oneoff]

Golden flax; and in particular samples of roasted golden flax. Setting: Minot ND; just short of one year ago at the yearly Farm Show that is soon coming up again; indoor booth; jar of roasted golden flax; samples for public; direct from one of ND registered seed growers; "manned" by equivalent of a Flax Council type organization promoting flax;
Why were there brown (or red to me) flax seeds sprinkled throughout that jar? They stick out like sore thumbs . Some would like to think it was Triffid-free; but that is too much of a leap of faith for me. We can't apparently keep golden flax 100% golden; and there's no test for sure to prove it was 100% pure. Then what makes anyone know for sure it didn't have at least a single seed that would have just as great a chance of maintaining its Triffid presence at the same level in the next generation?
The answer of course is that it was roasted; and it tasted just fine too?
Still like the part of the joke about the pregnant daughter; "It was not so much you'd notice; but it bothered me"

[parsley]

I agree checking that eventually Triffid will have polluted and contaminated all flax throughout the world and organics will end up with another canola status...organics no longer able to offer it as GM free, good markets lost and buyers switching to alternate choices, as they did with olive oil. Non-Canadian.

I think you will find farms with Triffid free flax checking, but it turn south eventually.

At this point in time, yellow flax is still the best bet for a Triffid free flax product. Most organic growers test flax in the USA I'll guess.

Do Triffid seed growers comprehend the consequences of their actions or care that many Canadian flax growers as well as organic growers have and will continue to lose good flax sales?

I think not. Pars

[parsley]

oneoff growing food is a very important responsibility, imho.

Some seed growers are very careful, as are some producers. If you have ever sold grain, aka food, to a celiac, one realizes how much they suffer, and how important it is to clean grain properly so that no dockage will be ground in which will result in them ill for days.

It's an example of an obscure market.

Some producers could care less about what fellow producers grow.

But then, maybe growing crops is becoming disassociated from the idea of it being food, is it?

[wd9]

Sorry pars, what i want to know is what is the spec for triffid in organic flax be it ppt or ppb or ppm or a few in a handful and dats close enough. 1000 different websites are hopeless to find this one particular spec.

I hope i'm not being difficult, just want to know the answer amongst the reams of sites with specs for everything but triffid and flax. If it is zero there may not be any "organic" flax.