Regulation, Procedures, and Rules for Triffid

[wd9]

Parsely, lots of farmers don't grow rr polish canola, or T45, or oxy 235. But some do. Its not the lots that are the problem. And that is where a realistic tolerance be it chemical or genetic makes the difference between an industry that can follow the rules and prove it and one that is impossible to prove and or implement.

[wd9]

Triffid will never disappear completely. Agreed.

[parsley]

Both Organic farmers and buyers have a wide array of cerification bodies, as well as testing bodies to CHOOSE from.

The most recent flax we sold was tested before it left the farm by an international firm, but please pick your own testing compnay, and do your own homework.(DYOD) :

http://www.genetic-id.com/Pages_Link/Test-for-GM-Flax-FP967.aspx

The buyer was satisfied, and paid for the shipment.

If you would like refined details, I suggest you call their test hotline in the country and language of your choice, and specifically refer to Triffid testing specs.

Keep in mind that each organic flax-buying company sells manufactured product to targeted consumers, and he might choose his certifying and testing partners.

Just as organics makes choices, Conventional vs organic also might choose very different partners.

A small organic private label flaxoil company in Provence has different requirements than does conventional Unilever supplying mustard powder for the Rhine.
Same for wine.
Same for flax oil. etc.

My choice is mine, and should not be construed as an advisement.

Testing will indeed bring controversy:

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/may10/gm_flax_contamination.php

That being said, no one foists organics on you. It is your choice whether or not to buy organic or eat organic. As it is my buyers' choice.

A thought for you:

With 'biotech-creep'(liken it to creep in engineering) in play, organics will inevitably be removed from your menu of choice.

Instead, food will abound with conflicting biotech Events that have expired, (except for the ones renewed post-expiry by lobbied politicians's repreentatives negotiating additional extension periods during Int'l trade talks), constantly negotiated upwards, creeping up rapidly, from .01% to 0.9% to 0.79% to "unknown".

Politics indeed.

Do you know of any Canadian trade talks lobbying for LESS tolerances? LOL

Genetic Event-soup is what today's grandchildren will eat 3x a day.

Pars

[parsley]

What about say, a Canola Event like GT73, that shows up in prepared mustard on shelves?

The only way high levels of GT73 can show up in your mustard is if canola has cross-pollinated with mustard in the fields.

Maybe blue radishes fortified with capsicum and peppermint will cross pollinate as well, a potpurri, for that tasty hotdog that bites you back. Pars

[oneoff]

Pars: Those last two posts were your poorest defenses ever. I again ask for a single lead to a credible Triffid flax testing lab that can test for sure that a given flax sample indeed contains 0% Triffid contamination. You will indeed do us a great service if what you claim for organics is true. If your pen got ahead of what you can back up; then a feeding of conventional humble pie is in order. You won't get out of that punishment just because you only eat organic food. And I won't stand for any less punishment than my choice of the available varieties of Flax containing humble pies.

[oneoff]

Thankyou for the link to Geneteic ID.
The pdf file wouldn't display on the first computer I tried; but all is well now. Perhaps I have found where all the false analyses of "Triffid-free" believers; zero percent Triffid tests; and polluters of the printed word and airwaves who have become detached from the facts.
This quote comes from the German "Genetic ID" link provided by Pars

"Because neither a safety assessment by the EU nor an application for approval has been submitted for this GMO, zero tolerance applies. This means that any raw material or flax/linseed derivative analysed to be positive for FP967/CDC Triffid is not marketable in the EU"

There are two sentenses in that quote. It doesn't mean that a negative test equates to zero presence of Triffid contamination. Logic says that Triffid content between zero and the test sensitivity will most of the time be reported as a negative test. But it is clear that unless you consider one in ten thousand to be zero or nothing to be concerned about; then you're probably eating the same Triffid content as the rest of the world. The first line of the quote clearly defines what is acceptable in the EU. No one can sugar coat that.
Does any ISO certified testing lab say that any sample contains no FP967/CDC Triffid content? You may be brainwashed enough to think that is so; and worse still may be brainwashing others to believe that organic flax contains no GM material and that the best conventional flax is at least 0.01%; but its pretty evident that all ISO 17025 labs are fully validated to the same standards.
Welcome to eating GM foods; and the real probability that when contamination is widespread and exported to dozens of countries; and no method to detect traces below 0.01% in organic or conventional food; that you run the same risk of ingesting; inbibing; contacting; smelling and seeing every conceivable flax product with traces of Triffid for the rest of your life.
Welcome to the real world.

[parsley]

Go to this thread for a reply:

EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Oneoff,

Zero can be in fact zero; if no contamination has occured.

This is entirely possible (a zero contamination level) given the wide range of conditions and low relative acres of flax in western Canada.

In the testing; a trace test is a positive test. Negative is no triffid (None whatsoever) in that submitted sample.

[oneoff]

Tom.... No.... Can't be proven if test sensitivity is orders of magitude from 0%. Maybe someday; but not today.

Just show me one link to where a negative test equates to zero Triffid.

Why did you dump thousands of bushels of flax if tests were all negative and negative tests mean no Triffid. Bring back that 2X4

[oneoff]

Science is also based on representative samples. There are protocols for taking those samples. Remember that you are submitting a much larger sample for testing than the 4X60gram lot used for testing. If you don't trust and believe in sampling; then you can't even believe the test done on the lot you submittd for the test.