I love Russian hockey and the CWB!!!

[Daylate]

LOL, now that I have your attention,

I understand the frustration and believe me my blood boils every time wheat prices come up in a conversation with my neighbours but I think the conclusion to most producers arguments (pro boarders)is that its "easier" and they don't have the "time" to market or deal with selling it. (And a few "devil I know vs devil I don't" type producers)
So lets put some ideas out and make an "easy way out" of a problem that has solutions that the "I don't have the time" guys can see resolve with.
And think constructively, not growing board crops etc etc is not a solution.
It's not going to happen fast but arguing about it on here doesn't create solutions either and thats what we want, right? All of us on here can point out why the CWB sucks ass.
What is step 1? Maybe find something everyone can agree on? Like public adds to get fed support? Is selling grain to "high risk" countries worth the risk if tax payers are writing off bad debts.

What is step 1 and 2 and 3 and ? Lets get it going!!!
Even dumb ideas can lead to good ideas, lets hear it all! When we can all agree on a plan and agenda on here, then we can respectfully take it to where we want and to who we want, whether its a coffee shop, landlord or MP.

Daylate,

[ado089]

How about a pool/fpc price that comes from the CWB but the bassis is removed from the board control.

[lnewman]

daylate You have a great idea. Prochoice producers
have no problem expressing themselves, but how can
you have a forum with pro board people because they
see no problem and are silent.

[bucket]

How about reducing the number of programs and maybe correctly naming the ones they have.

The BPC is a futures price with a basis undetermined. If you sign a basis contract on canola you are locking in a basis with a futures later. The cwb does everything counter to what farmers are used to.

How about a real durum FPC. If the cwb controls over 50 percent of the world durum trade it should be easy to mitigate those pricing risks. Besides how hard can it be to pay 1.80 and resell at over 10.00. No risk there. Most people call it loansharking.

[TOM4CWB]

Daylate,

The actual issue comes down to 'interpretation' of the CWB Act.

CWB managers insist that 'orderly marketing' requires all CWB grain go through the pool accounts and growers be paid a 'blended' pool price basis... even though it was claimed to have been a 'cash' price that was paid.

We have 2 pool adjustments going here.

There is the pool factor in the setting of the PPO basis itself... and the secondary pooling factor now of the 'adjustment factor'.

Setting the grade spreads using initial prices also factors pool 'orderly marketing' components that further drag cash prices off actual sales values.

Then there is the selling of higher grade quality into lower value markets... and the adjustment in the pool price DOWN for the proper spec for that sale.

Complex issues that few can get their minds around.

No wonder the CWB can claim a premium... the whole system is designed to SAY every kernel is valued at a 'premium price'...

But the pool value suffers as the CWB itself pays the premium to each class from the greater pool.

An astute shell game that is not based on 'farm gate' grower value paid pricing... but on internal CWB value accounts the CWB itself designs and manipulates to prove the 'value' of the 'single desk'...

When 'paper' blends are paid our farm on Canola green seed discounted grades... the farm gate price is maximised for our family. NOT so with CWB pool blending. THE opposite... value is instead extracted.

Charlie, what do you think?

[Fransisco]

The difference between the Russian Junior Hockey team and the wheat board is that the Russians actually know how to get the job done. They can actually compete.

[parsley]

Will try to get to Huyde'courtcase on Monday and report on it. pars

[parsley]

Request Access to information on perks, benefits, bonuses of CWB employees, all of them, and also cost of Bejing CWB offices and perks

Pars

[hedgehog]

you guys need to boycott the cwb, and make sure everyone follows suit, till govt gets the message. Try googling captain boycott first.

[TOM4CWB]

hedgehog,

I tried to ignore the CWB by refusing to take out a CWB permit book some years back.

Only sold non-board wheat and barley.

When I had delivered ONE load... the CWB threatened every elevator company we had non-board contracts with enforcement of STOP delivery orders against our farm... or the CWB would shut them down.

I threatened to dump tandem loads of wheat on the lawn of the FBR... he was annoyed... but in the end had to take out a permit book to fulfill these non-CWB grain contracts.

I was required to submit... as the CWB Act requires of me.

[BTOfarmall]

Tom4BTO howcome we's always hearin' about you drivin' around all the times wit dis ONE Load of grain, Grinnining yer Big Grin. Don't you's got anyting better to do ore is that all da grain you's grow is One Load? Gist wanna make it look like you's did someting all year huh???

[TOM4CWB]

Sorry for waking you GTO....

[BTOfarmall]

Sing myself back to sleep....

One Load Here, One Load There, Everywhere a One Load.......

[hedgehog]

one person will never make a difference, you need hundreds or thousands to drive wheat over the border, as everyone acted together against captain boycott in ireland.
am i right in thinking this cwb legislation was enacted in ww2 before the usa joined in ?

[TOM4CWB]

Hedgehog,

classes.uleth.ca/200801/.../Wheat%20and%20Western%20Canada.ppt

"Sept. 27, 1943, the CWB ceased to be an alternative, and was given exclusive jurisdiction to receive Canadian wheat

Trading of wheat on the WGE ended

A reaction to war time emergency, not a policy change

Prices increased due to reduced supply in the US and Canada

A concern about increasing prices in 1943"

1930's to Sept 1943:

The Central Selling Agency, under the Fed. Govt, pursued ¡°stabilization¡± policies

1935
The second CWB was established (voluntary)

Took 2 years to sell the inventories of the CSA

Price < market in 1936-37 ¡ú no deliveries

Price > market in 1938 ¡ú received entire crop

1939 ¨C an Act was introduced to maintain the board, set the initial price, and limit producer deliveries to 5,000 bu

WW II
Wheat board retained as optional
Initial price increased due to producer pressure

Yields high, markets lost (Europe), accumulation of grain stocks
Marketing quotas (1940), acreage reduction (1941)


" War rapidly changed the demand for grain from Canada and affected the grain markets in the early 1940s. The United States was actually Western Canada's biggest customer for wheat and feed grains in this period. Along with an increased demand for wheat in Britain and North America came escalating wheat prices on the grain markets. The Canadian government was committed to a policy of price control during the war years and the rising wheat prices created new problems for this policy and for its desire to provide food aid to its European allies. The CWB, still a voluntary agency, could not source wheat in a rising market since Prairie farmers were more inclined to deliver their wheat for the higher spot market prices offered by the private traders than for the CWB's initial payments. It became obvious that some action would have to be taken to secure wheat supply to meet wartime obligations. In September 1943 the federal government halted wheat futures trading on the Winnipeg Grain Exchange and made the Canadian Wheat Board the sole authorized receiver and monopoly marketer of Western Canadian wheat."

As you can see Hedgehog, the CWB 'single desk' was put in place to control food prices and supply cheap wheat for WWII.