EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[parsley]

I have to thank you oneoff, for hitting me on the head with a logic 2x4.

I had always depended upon science, the smart people, to be able to detect Triffid ,reading that ID, according to its' test description would alert for the pesence of Triffid:

"The test specifically detects a transgenic construct-that is present in GMFlax /Linseed FP968 (CDC Triffid) but is not present in unmodified flax"

And it does alert us, if we test each individual seed.

I didn't read it thorughly enough,
or follow through with the reasoning until oneoff forced me to.

But I will still inquire about the 'other' tests that may be effect, which may not be 'on the market'.

Triffid in brown flax cannot ever taken back. Oneoff is absolutely right.

Golden flax is the only alternative that organics can use. And luckily lots of organic growers seed the old German variety of golden flax that has been in use for forty years.

But all of you can see,(even ME now) is there is a much more profound side to the testing issue.

Sheer numbers.

.001% contamination at tom4wb's farm is probably not scarey to many farmers. .001% contamination of all farms in the world becomes profound and intimidating very quickly.

One thing that struck me in the middle of the night, was how awesome Mother Nature is and how hopelessly stupid mans' attempts are to try to domesticate nature.

As futile as a spider trying to breed an elephant isn't it?

And we know man will keep trying to cross with a snake.

So I am pleased to say I will eat your humble pie, oneofff, whoever you are. You have done your homework well and I thank you for it. I have not looked at other testing requiremnts, but I presume, being so pissy, you have them down pat and they all target approx .01

I still owe Duke a euro for a lost interest rate bet on AV. Couple that with eating oneoff's pie and you will realize I am surely a dull-witted loser.

Honestly, though? ...A good way to start a morning, Pars

[TOM4CWB]

pars,

Well thought through.

I agree golden flax does not need to get contaminated if old seed stocks are used.

[wd9]

So lets stop all biotechnology of every kind and not register any new event of any kind so a few acres of crop production can fill the need of market manipulation that only fear mongering and not science can provide thru an unrealistic tolerance setting of zero. Brilliant.

Consequences? How about starvation for one.

[bucket]

If a deer eats some triffid flax and then shits it on land that has golden flax seeded on it the following year. You could be screwed.

Has science allowed for this type of contamination?

[parsley]

Tom, I'm finally taking the time to read through a proposal dated May 6, 2010 that arrived in the mail one day, but which sat fallow as I dealt with family priorities.

It is a proposed Triffid litigatation brief that asked for comment.

What it reminds me, as I go through it, is the importance of each farmers' responsibility to agriculture, to the public and to each other. Pars

[parsley]

wd

Every farmer reading your recommendations will surely agree we should alter every agriculture gene that exists, by every method imaginable, in every way imaginable, with complete and enthusiastic abandon.

And release them, and watch. Jobs, too!

You and Science claim the risk is scientifically measurable, so bring it on.

Perhaps also sprinkling out those rejected altered lab seeds across Prairie fields, from biotech drones, could speed up the genetic experiment, as well as provide innovative surprises.

Smoking my black garbonzo beans....???

Bring it on darling. Pars

[parsley]

charliep, will you work on upping the tolerances for those garbies that have crossed?

Wanna partner on the patent? http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1322.html Pars

[charliep]

So you are saying that nature does not modify itself and issues like fusarium graminearium and the resulting mycotoxins do not exist? Climate variability?

with a disease like U99 (wheat rust in Africa) not to far away (you can add karnal bunt), the world doesn't need a number of different plant breeding tools to understand and perhaps the ability to respond?

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

A time goes by... human creativity will find ways to solve problems.

Our ingenuity is only limited by our imaginations!

And by looking at Agri-ville... imagination is certainly not lacking!

Smile... the world is watching... and thought/imagination continues!!!

[charliep]

They are not my tolerances. The tolerances are what the EU has found acceptable via their scientitic and political review process. If you follow the rules, there is an acceptable presense of GE crops which may be close to zero but is not zero.

What others agree to and goes into commercial contracts may be zero - tigher than EU specications - but that is a buyer seller agreement. The issue is triffid flaxseed genetic event was never registered in Europe. Therefore, there is zero tolerance with all the ramifications.

[parsley]

Nature changes, But not at 2,000 mph.

80-90% of all canola in canada is modified.

Brown Flax is introducing new modified vaieties, aren't they.

Mustard is headed there as GM tolerances get negotiated and re-negotiated, and new modified varieties are introduced.

Europe is urged to allow more and more modified grain in, and politicainas pump up the tolerances.

However, there is a not only the percentage of GM presence to measure. (.01% tolerance of Triffid in the brown flax)

There is also a percentage of increasing Events (How many kinds of modified canola should be tolerated in my one bin?)

Event tolerance can also be accelerated as ten new modified varieites are thrown into the mix. One event for drought. Some for oil. Some for fiber.Two for chemicsl. One for height. Some for weight.

They are all promiscuous little rascals, as wd has noted.

Is there any top limit Event tolerance established that is okay in your mind, or is the sky the limit?

For example, One sample of canola presents positive for 75 individual modified-canola Events, and all in the same sample

Some with competign traits, some with opposing .....

Good to go on that?

What is your exact number charlie, that you consider an unaccpetable number to exceed, when negotiatiating a higher events "tolerance" level?

I really don't know, Pars

[charliep]

Don't have a number. The EU does though both for unregistered (zero), registered for adventitious presence but not allowed in the EU (GE corn dust, etc. in other grains - .9% I believe) and items that have cleared their regulatory process (soybeans - complete access provided GE fully registered). Even though I may not agree, I have no reason to question their numbers. Do you?