EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[charliep]

With an issue like U99 around the corner, what is agricultures responsibility to be able to respond?

[parsley]

"Even though I may not agree, I have no reason to question their numbers"

Let's talk Canada.

Are clustered Events tested for and documented in Canada?

You don't agree with Europe I take it.

Do you think unlimited Events in food is what Canada should head for?

[parsley]

You have also been adamant in about tying risk to scienece.

You eat french fries and beer.

You first read the test results on the french fries frid in canola oil:

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/543H transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/DR2251 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/XXZZ99 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/6TOGO transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/PPP)1 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/Brt86 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/Trd66 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/GR88 transgenic construct is present

All these events are present in the oil

Is science able to do a reasonable job of predicitng how events impact one upon the other?

How does science measure prediciton with confidence when the realm of possibilities is unimaginable, as is the cost? pars

[charliep]

No answer/no opinion. How would you regulate the industry in Canada over and above what occurs with Plant with Novel Trait regulation in Canada and from there approval processes in the major markets. How would you achieve international agreement so businesses can make investments under a reasonable set of regulatory and at least provide the hope (not guarantee) of profit?

[parsley]

charliep
Your reply addresses the tolerances of the % of GM presnt in ie vegetable oil.

I asked about the tolerance number of GM EVENTS present in vegetble oil.

90% of all canola oil in Canada in modified. Can you imagine all the canola events out there that are thrown into the same oil pot?

The more the merrier? Pars

Pars.

[charliep]

Actually 95 % (52 % ish Round up ready and 42 % ish liberty link). Your discussion around whether farmers should use this technology is with the farmers on this site - not me.

On the oil front, you permits need to understand where the genetic material goes in an oilseed when it is crushed. The genetic material is tied up in the proteins and therefore moves with the meal. Very little genetic material remains in the oil except for perhaps some of solids that don't get removed in the crushing process. As wd9 indicated, likely would have to be measured in parts per billion or trillion in the case of triffid in linseed oil. Again story about meal from GE crops is different as tom4cwb highlighted recently talking about flaxseed meal/uses.

[parsley]

What could possibly be wrong with you sowing "enhanced" black garbonzo's, Tom. It's an idea you have already most likely already discarded, Tom, with the imagination you own.

Which reminds me, Tom, taking your losses and getting rid of your Triffid was a forward thinking financial move.

Question: Is there a Triffid Infected Region Map posted somewhere does anyone know? I looked on CGC, but didn't find it. Corps have them.
Pars

[charliep]

Actually forgot you include clearfield in your GM defintion. The answer then is 99 % - only 1 % conventional canola.

[parsley]

I'm interested in trait Event limits, charliep

In flax, or canola or soyneans, take your pick. Or a potpurri of them

Manufactured products and their edible byproducts are going to reflect, (some to a great degree, and some less), the AMOUNT of GM material PLUS the various EVENTS in that GM material.

I want to know how many events are 'acceptable'? What if they are opposing? How are they currently measured? Or are they? I'm not clear. Pars

[parsley]

Could tracing and observing the number of events in the manufactured form possibly tell us something about what happens to events that are at play in nature?

[parsley]

"Very little genetic material remains in the oil except for perhaps some of solids that don't get removed in the crushing process"

Very little genetic material?

"little"?


Is "little"
'industry scientific'
or
'scientific scientific'?

Pars

[charliep]

Not sure on the answers to your questions. Talking to an economist who was close to failing most biology/genetics courses and that was 35 plus years ago.

One of the suggestions coming from industry in project I was involved in was the criteria of monitoring the presense/outcomes of genetic events on an ongoing basis. Not the process you are suggesting but rather monitoring to see what is happening. Improvements in technology will likely allow this.