EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[parsley]

What could possibly be wrong with you sowing "enhanced" black garbonzo's, Tom. It's an idea you have already most likely already discarded, Tom, with the imagination you own.

Which reminds me, Tom, taking your losses and getting rid of your Triffid was a forward thinking financial move.

Question: Is there a Triffid Infected Region Map posted somewhere does anyone know? I looked on CGC, but didn't find it. Corps have them.
Pars

[charliep]

Actually forgot you include clearfield in your GM defintion. The answer then is 99 % - only 1 % conventional canola.

[parsley]

I'm interested in trait Event limits, charliep

In flax, or canola or soyneans, take your pick. Or a potpurri of them

Manufactured products and their edible byproducts are going to reflect, (some to a great degree, and some less), the AMOUNT of GM material PLUS the various EVENTS in that GM material.

I want to know how many events are 'acceptable'? What if they are opposing? How are they currently measured? Or are they? I'm not clear. Pars

[parsley]

Could tracing and observing the number of events in the manufactured form possibly tell us something about what happens to events that are at play in nature?

[parsley]

"Very little genetic material remains in the oil except for perhaps some of solids that don't get removed in the crushing process"

Very little genetic material?

"little"?


Is "little"
'industry scientific'
or
'scientific scientific'?

Pars

[charliep]

Not sure on the answers to your questions. Talking to an economist who was close to failing most biology/genetics courses and that was 35 plus years ago.

One of the suggestions coming from industry in project I was involved in was the criteria of monitoring the presense/outcomes of genetic events on an ongoing basis. Not the process you are suggesting but rather monitoring to see what is happening. Improvements in technology will likely allow this.

[charliep]

Will again do the civil servant soft shoe and let others answer. Would depend on the crusher is using simply cold press crush or a full oil extraction using chemical means.

[parsley]

It much better if farmers are active, willing, timely participant "mappers" for Events.

Farmers are on the front line.

Wouldn't an online map for each Event be ideal?

Also, people living in an area could add to it, observing things in their gardens or ditches.

Sign in, add observations and follow an event.

If the flax growers want to rid themselves from Triffid, don't they have to publicly map the infection and then ask for voluntary quarantine for a set time? Track it? ake it a team effort as opposed t a cover my ass fiasco? (Different leadership required, though) Right now, only a "few" have access to REAL info.

I find farmers amazing people to observe plants, are keenly interested in protecting their most important assett..their land, and also share info very openly Pars

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

Clearfield Canola is NOT transgenic. VERY Different than RR/Liberty tolerant Canola.

[oneoff]

I hereby retract that 2x4; withdraw humble pie from any menu; and agree to concentrate on the futility of the industry's and Flax Council claims about ridding flax supplies of the Triffid gene.

Today I have followed Pars's leads to the three links provided earlier in this thread. The first two links appear to me to be saying the same things as Western Canadian labs; ie test sensitivities in the order of detection levels of 0.01% GM flax. The second report adds that it is a moot point arguing about "quantification of gm-amount because it is not relevant for assessment in context of Article 4 para 2 of European Regulation (EC No 1829/200" but the report goes on to say that they "estimated amount of GM-linseed to be in the range of 0.1 to 1% and real time PCR tests for both construct specific tests in range of 28 to 32 indicating presence of (at least) 10 to 100 fold higher than limit of detection"
I interpret this to mean one tenth of 0.1% equals 0.01% and one hundredth of 1% equals 0.01% so they are talking about tests with the same 0.01% sensitivity limit that is being used in Canada.
As for the third link from University of Vechta; Germany; other than being the Chair of Landscape Ecology; the authors don't list credentials any more impressive than oneoff and wd9 et al.
The authors claim there are no exemptions in EU; even for minor traces; and that Triffid is present in even breeder seed of Bethune,Sorrel and Sanctuary. They say if enough samples are tested and if tests are sensitive enough; contamination is found to be widespresd. Then they go on to say that in many tests it is only present at 1 to 2 seeds per million. Geez: keep that 2X 4 handy; its needed again. How can anyone extrapolate to those levels of test sensitivity; for which there currently no tests existing?
Corrections 100% noted and accepted Pars. Those greater than 20 year old seed stocks are our greatest chance of reducing GM-linseed levels (but I never said reduced to zero percent). But what hope have we to protect >20 year old seeds from contamination with past; present and forthcoming GM flax varieties as well as "friendly fire" from the onslaught of GM reseach and release in every conceivable living organism.

Also sorry to mention that that even golden and yellow flax would probably show traces at parts per trillion GM material (assuming there were a test available). Even for the 0.01% tests the labs talk about "amplification" and "amplicons". I must do more research; but I suspect that you have to "grow" the minute amount of GM to a size where the DNA sequence can be detected and quantified. At parts per trillion you're talking extremely small amounts. Don't quote me on this last paragraph. You may need that 2X4 on me.