EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[parsley]

Did you notice the words in the plastic bag article the phrase:

"scientists raised the alarm"?

One could rag, "Where the hell was the inital alarm in the first place?" but in defense of science itself, its' disciples' understanding of science sometimes only pops up waaaaay down the road.

Will canola discover problems down the road? I hope not. But what are the chances there won't be safety/health problems?

Listeria iS real. BSE is real. Science argued that the process was safe. Science argued that the risk % was scientifically safe. It wasn't.

Which is why process is important in biotech. Plastic bags became a food issue.

Segreation. Audit trails. Compliance. etc.

Too many responsibilities in the process are absent. Some are abused. Some are ignored. Food safey today requires a transparent workable process, where recall couples with containment.

Triffid throughout the world is NOT retreivable.

But like plastic bags, if down the road, "scientists raised the alarm" and Dr. Eureka determines Triffid, or any Event has become an alert food issue, process is crucial.

Changing bags is an easy fix for food safety. Mapping and bagging Triffid's kin is not Pars

[charliep]

As a consumer of agricultural products, I perhaps have a different view of risk than you do.

For example, the issue of dioxins in packaging is a risk factor. Solmonella and e coli from improperly handled food are risks which no one can assign zero even under the cleanest preparation conditions. I recognize the risk as a consumer, manage it as best I can and am prepared to live with what I can't.

I might note the introduction biotech crops are among the most evaluated and monitored areas of food there is - by the time it has cleared hurdles in Canada, the European Food Safety Authority, US FDA or whatever, Japan protocols, etc., there has been significant due diligence. You may want to add other criteria in terms of monitoring but I suspect is held to a higher standard than packaging.

Relative to other risk factors in food, I suspect triffid content of flaxseed is not something that will impact my health and perhaps including flaxseed in my diet will actually improve it.

But maybe I am wrong.

[wd9]

Dioxin, toxic. Inks seeping into food, toxic. What is your point? If i dumped radioactive sludge from a nuclear plant on my barley before i sent it off to market it would be.... toxic.

Triffid is safe for food feed and the environment. Dioxin is not safe. Packaging has inherent issues due to chemical processes to derive those products. But the food approved and grown here in Canada for production here in canada is safe.

Your fear mongering by supposing "what if it turns out to be bad" or comparing toxic chemicals to safe and healthy food produced in this country does no good whatsoever for this industry. This isn't even a discussion anymore, its lunacy.

[ianben]

BSE did have a big consumer reaction in
UK and Europe which perhaps was not seen
in Canada.
We had ten years of assurances from
government, even had minister Gummer
feeding his daughter a burger, on how
beef was safe. Then the admission in 96
that it could be transmitted to humans.
This was the situation in which GM was
launched and trust in governments
scientist and food producers was at an
all time low.
Even though the BSE scare was, it
appears, over hyped no one in EU sees a
need to experiment with GM while food is
still plentyful and cheap.

It is not just GM, pesticides in water
are an issue here no tolerance is
allowed. If a pesticide can be found
above minimum levels equivalent to one
grain of wheat in 300tonnes the it will
eventually be banned. Lots of the most
used cheapest are already gone. Obvious
really the most used ones will be found
but no relation to toxicity.

However it is really a marketing
issue,you must produce what your
customer wants not what you say he
should have. I no longer produce any
beef if I was in Canada I dont think I
would still be growing linseed/flax

I dont see GM here till food is ex-
pensive and in short supply.

BSE has a lot to answer for. The thought
of feeding food to your children that
could damage their brain and kill them
is still what people remember.
Food safety is number one any risk is
unacceptable.

[wd9]

And yellow seeded organic flax causes breast cancer. It might be true. So in the mean time i'll just say it does.

[parsley]

Haven't heard from you for a long time ianben. Nice to hear from you. And interesting comments on the BSE.

I have been told by a professional, that there are sealed, steel "storage buildings" containing killed BSE bovine, because GB couldn't dispose of them quickly enough so they binned them. Heard anything? Pars

[parsley]

You stamp your feet, wd, and screech "It 's saaaaafe!!

However, not all countries, and not all consumers, and not all farmers agree that approved GM Events are safe in spite of the fact that you proclaim they are.

Countries and systems who view GM unsafe are just as legal and just as valid as the juridictions who do.

Get used to it.

Some producer organizations cite food safety as their objections to GMO.

Some countries openly cite safety in their objections to GMO

At the Standing Committee on the Food Chain held in Brussels on 9-10 February 2010 , Austria's wrtitten declaration reflects their skepticism with GM corn:

"a. The risk assessment which has been carried out is not suitable to give a scientific proof for the safety of this product: This concerns in particular the poor quality of molecular characterisation, insufficient testing of potential fusion proteins, poor quality of testing agronomic traits and compositional analysis as well as of the environmental risk assessment. No information is provided whether the levels of endocrine disrupting agents
like tetrahydrofuran-diol and leukotoxin-diol were altered in the double stack. Also the intended monitoring plan is not regarded as state of the art. Furthermore a post-marketmonitoring plan is regarded as essential but not provided by the notifier.

b. As long as no official (guidance) document on the interpretation of detection results of the described methods for stacked events are available, no approval for placing on the market of this product should be given." unquote

Are Austrians lunatics, too? Are their citizens lunatics ?

What about dissenting Belgium at that meeting?

"-Evaluate the allergenicity of the whole GM maize crop
-General surveillance to follow up unanticipated allergenicity aspects since the allergenicity of the whole GM maize has not been tested"

Lunatics?

The Committee in Brussels discussed the concerns:

"The following considerations were mentioned by Member States as reasons for not supporting the draft Decision:
- the EFSA opinion is not considered as fully satisfactory;
- the absence of a scientific opinion on environmental risk by the national scientific assessment body;
- Regulation on GM food and feed is not considered as the right legal basis to authorise products other than food and feed containing and consisting of GMOs;
- the negative public opinion with respect to GMO;
- the absence of agreement for the quantification of stacked events;
- other political reasons."

"Negative public opinion", Did you catch that ianben? Pars

[parsley]

About Creeping tolerances:

EU required 100% GM free flax.

Now, as a result of biotech, industry tries to negotiate tolerances higher, saying "It's safe it's just a marketing issue!"

When Canada and EU settled its' WTO squabble on GMO's, Canada whined and got 0.9%, tolerance levels for three canola events present in oilseed shipments, to remain in efect until 2012.

Flax will also probably creep to 0.9% because there is no co-operative aim to work towards segregation of GM grain from no GM grain.

Biotech continues to negotiate higher and higher tolerance levels for registered events, and aims to do so for all crops, imho.

This creeping tolerance by Biotechies, shows an absence of co-operation between the two points of view. GM and nonGM

It reveals that food safety views or food safety issues,(which could liken to BSE which is NOW internationally dreadfully real, as ianben reminds us), are not taken into consideration by the biotech view. Pars

[parsley]

"b. As long as no official (guidance) document on the interpretation of detection results of the described methods for stacked events are available, no approval for placing on the market of this product should be given."


This one is MY personal bugbear,

Stacking.

And farmers will be blamed for harvesting crops testing positive for stacking....and if industry has its' way...farmers will be liable and foot the bill for harm IMHO.

Unless of course, there is a new policy this month that charts GM stacking responsibility for safety and environmental and marketing harm. Did I miss it? pars

[parsley]

Well well well, somebody else is thinking about the liability chain.


http://www.cropweek.com/agenda/seed.html

Don't worry about a thing. You'll be well looked after, boys. Pars