EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[parsley]

Shouldn't segregation and protocol be the subject of co-existence instead of arguing about whether organics's rejection of food modifiction is legitimate in your eyes?

Canola can persist in soil for several years and produce volunteer canola in succeeding crops.

Surely you will accept when EU posed a recent problem with GM in their mustard, and that EU has every right to choose what they allow in and what they disallow.

They reject GM mustard. You can insult them and walk. Or we can provide them with what they want to buy.

They really don't CARE if you approve of their reasons for rejecting what you so DESPERATELY want to sell them!

If you want their business, Canada has to clean up its' act.

EU 'sort of' scolded Canada about procedures in place so that the mustard in their jars is not contaminated with dormant volunteer GM canola or worse, contains mustard crossed with the neighbors GM canola.

Do it or walk!
Parsley

[charliep]

Was the mustard rejected under EU regulation or because of terms in a contract
(buyer seller agreement)? My memory is more a business decision by a company -
no regulation or contract terms were broken.

[parsley]

There are challenges in co-existence between canola and mustard. And also between conventional and organic.

GM contamination can occur at field level. It presents both genetic seed problems and marketing problems in organic crops.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CEUQFjAJ&url=http%3 A%2F%2Fwww.sapidlife.org%2Fdocumenti_repository%2F scarica.php%3Ffile%3Den20060403200334proceedings_1 st_conference.pdf&ei=vT4uTfXiBY-ssAPdhYXWBg&usg=AFQjCNFUugcr1dzOx8TBXT_JBW4-jn5t0w

"When the relevant management measures are taken to reduce GM pollen dispersal, we expect that an isolation distance of 100 m will result in a GM content in the range of 0.1% to 0.3% of the total oilseed crop in the organic field (very small fields excluded). Single test samples collected from especially the field margins may however show a higher GM content."

The hotdog vendor in Austria doesn't want to recall GM mustard becuse it tested positive from cross-pollination.

Co-existence of crops and farming methods is necessary. Many work and consult with their neighbors. You throw up your hands and screech, "Lunatics."

Pars

[parsley]

My point is, there are two systems in play. charliep And have to be respected as such.

I referred to the plastic bags to illustrate how something from the past, that was originally "deemd safe" all of a sudden, is deemed no longer safe, charliep A reversal, that non-gm food won't have to deal with.

Projected number of events in GM crops worldwide, by trait:

http://www.agbioforum.org/v13n2/v13n2a08-cerezo.htm


Look at Figure 1
They include:
Herbicide Tolerance
Virus Resistance
Anbiotic Stress Tolerance drought)
Insect Resistant
Crop composotion oil/starch composition
disease resistance
other or unknown

Some traits are 'in the tube' for Canola, besides the ones already in the field.

The big question wd, is, think about GM food when there is worldwide negotiated global free trade, including China, North Korea, India and Iran, and all of them release hundreds of Events for all crops, with all of them stacked with three or four traits?

Science also surprises us with long term results.

You are still at stage one where you want to argue gm vs non-gm, safe vs unsafe. wd

EU prefers to buy from me and not from you. Try courting Africa. Parsley

[parsley]

"A few writings on a piece of paper"

EU legislated tolerances:
.09%
.01%
.00%
They precisely mean what they mean.

[parsley]

A document called:

"The legitimate and viable regulation of coexistence in the EU"

http://www.gmcc-09.com/wp-content/uploads/27-etty-2.pdf

".. it should be recalled that Member States’ dissatisfaction with GMO regulation has brought the EU regime to its knees before. If conflict over coexistence continues, this risk is
likely to recur."

charliep, there are many doucments with this TONE from the EU. Pars

[charliep]

Strange comments on mustard. Outcrossing of 0.1 to 0.3 percent 100
meters into a field (numbers you quoted). Brown mustard mainly grown on
brown to dark brown soils due to better drought tolerance (yes canola but
not like black soil zones). Assume there are rotation practices on mustard
and canola too keep them separated.

I note that mustard of all types and canola have been grown in western
Canada for years without impacting their unique quality and agronomic
characturistics. Pedigreed is able to be grown to exact specifications and
purity. Malt barley is sold on varietal purity. Specialty oil canola. Yet brown
mustard is held to a higher standard based on _________? I know the
comment will be the buyer is always right but________.

[wd9]

But change those writings from 0% to .01% and it makes all the difference in the world. One is achievable, one is not. But you are absolutely right, what the customer with a full belly and the need for market manipulation and protection of domestic production and prices wants, that customer gets. With canola at 13$ a bushel here, there must be a few customers out there for it who know it is safe and healthy.

Consequence for canola, soy, wheat, barley, corn? Minimal. And as food demand rises, less all the time.

The most memorable event i can remember was watching half the european group go out and have a smoke at break at a food safety meeting in Ottawa. Came back in and argued how harmful GE canola AP was in shipments. Its a messed up world parsely but policies are apparently not written in ink. Light pencil with an eraser close by should the actual need for food arise.

[charliep]

Maybe to help me as a consumer, what are the dire consequences of eating flaxseed with a 0.01 % triffid presense in the overall system. Lets just assume I a tablespoon a day (don't know if right but lets assume 50 seeds) 200 days each year (not every day but close). Over the course of a year, I may consume 1 seed of triffid out of the 10,000 seeds I consume. I may actually dodge the bullet one year but eat 2 seeds the next. I may be really unlucky and eat 1,000 seeds one year but the probability is low (not that much triffid seed in the system).

Will I get sick or die?

[wd9]

No you will not charlie because triffid is safe for food feed and the environment.

You are much more likely to die from starvation from policy that makes no sense.

From Reuters:

(Reuters) -- America's stockpiles of corn and soybeans will be drawn down to uncomfortably thin levels this year, according to a government report Wednesday that sent grain prices soaring and added to concerns over surging world food prices.

Dwindling stocks in the world's biggest food exporter -- depleted by strong ethanol demand and a sharp reduction in estimated corn and soy production last year -- and poor crops in other major exporting countries are setting up what could be one of the toughest years for food prices and supplies since 2008.