EU Triffid (zero tolerance) vs. Negative Triffid Test Result vs. Consequences for All Crops

[bucket]

If a deer eats some triffid flax and then shits it on land that has golden flax seeded on it the following year. You could be screwed.

Has science allowed for this type of contamination?

[parsley]

Tom, I'm finally taking the time to read through a proposal dated May 6, 2010 that arrived in the mail one day, but which sat fallow as I dealt with family priorities.

It is a proposed Triffid litigatation brief that asked for comment.

What it reminds me, as I go through it, is the importance of each farmers' responsibility to agriculture, to the public and to each other. Pars

[parsley]

wd

Every farmer reading your recommendations will surely agree we should alter every agriculture gene that exists, by every method imaginable, in every way imaginable, with complete and enthusiastic abandon.

And release them, and watch. Jobs, too!

You and Science claim the risk is scientifically measurable, so bring it on.

Perhaps also sprinkling out those rejected altered lab seeds across Prairie fields, from biotech drones, could speed up the genetic experiment, as well as provide innovative surprises.

Smoking my black garbonzo beans....???

Bring it on darling. Pars

[parsley]

charliep, will you work on upping the tolerances for those garbies that have crossed?

Wanna partner on the patent? http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1322.html Pars

[charliep]

So you are saying that nature does not modify itself and issues like fusarium graminearium and the resulting mycotoxins do not exist? Climate variability?

with a disease like U99 (wheat rust in Africa) not to far away (you can add karnal bunt), the world doesn't need a number of different plant breeding tools to understand and perhaps the ability to respond?

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

A time goes by... human creativity will find ways to solve problems.

Our ingenuity is only limited by our imaginations!

And by looking at Agri-ville... imagination is certainly not lacking!

Smile... the world is watching... and thought/imagination continues!!!

[charliep]

They are not my tolerances. The tolerances are what the EU has found acceptable via their scientitic and political review process. If you follow the rules, there is an acceptable presense of GE crops which may be close to zero but is not zero.

What others agree to and goes into commercial contracts may be zero - tigher than EU specications - but that is a buyer seller agreement. The issue is triffid flaxseed genetic event was never registered in Europe. Therefore, there is zero tolerance with all the ramifications.

[parsley]

Nature changes, But not at 2,000 mph.

80-90% of all canola in canada is modified.

Brown Flax is introducing new modified vaieties, aren't they.

Mustard is headed there as GM tolerances get negotiated and re-negotiated, and new modified varieties are introduced.

Europe is urged to allow more and more modified grain in, and politicainas pump up the tolerances.

However, there is a not only the percentage of GM presence to measure. (.01% tolerance of Triffid in the brown flax)

There is also a percentage of increasing Events (How many kinds of modified canola should be tolerated in my one bin?)

Event tolerance can also be accelerated as ten new modified varieites are thrown into the mix. One event for drought. Some for oil. Some for fiber.Two for chemicsl. One for height. Some for weight.

They are all promiscuous little rascals, as wd has noted.

Is there any top limit Event tolerance established that is okay in your mind, or is the sky the limit?

For example, One sample of canola presents positive for 75 individual modified-canola Events, and all in the same sample

Some with competign traits, some with opposing .....

Good to go on that?

What is your exact number charlie, that you consider an unaccpetable number to exceed, when negotiatiating a higher events "tolerance" level?

I really don't know, Pars

[charliep]

Don't have a number. The EU does though both for unregistered (zero), registered for adventitious presence but not allowed in the EU (GE corn dust, etc. in other grains - .9% I believe) and items that have cleared their regulatory process (soybeans - complete access provided GE fully registered). Even though I may not agree, I have no reason to question their numbers. Do you?

[charliep]

With an issue like U99 around the corner, what is agricultures responsibility to be able to respond?

[parsley]

"Even though I may not agree, I have no reason to question their numbers"

Let's talk Canada.

Are clustered Events tested for and documented in Canada?

You don't agree with Europe I take it.

Do you think unlimited Events in food is what Canada should head for?

[parsley]

You have also been adamant in about tying risk to scienece.

You eat french fries and beer.

You first read the test results on the french fries frid in canola oil:

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/543H transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/DR2251 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/XXZZ99 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/6TOGO transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/PPP)1 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/Brt86 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/Trd66 transgenic construct is present

The test specifically detects the GM Canola/GR88 transgenic construct is present

All these events are present in the oil

Is science able to do a reasonable job of predicitng how events impact one upon the other?

How does science measure prediciton with confidence when the realm of possibilities is unimaginable, as is the cost? pars

[charliep]

No answer/no opinion. How would you regulate the industry in Canada over and above what occurs with Plant with Novel Trait regulation in Canada and from there approval processes in the major markets. How would you achieve international agreement so businesses can make investments under a reasonable set of regulatory and at least provide the hope (not guarantee) of profit?

[parsley]

charliep
Your reply addresses the tolerances of the % of GM presnt in ie vegetable oil.

I asked about the tolerance number of GM EVENTS present in vegetble oil.

90% of all canola oil in Canada in modified. Can you imagine all the canola events out there that are thrown into the same oil pot?

The more the merrier? Pars

Pars.

[charliep]

Actually 95 % (52 % ish Round up ready and 42 % ish liberty link). Your discussion around whether farmers should use this technology is with the farmers on this site - not me.

On the oil front, you permits need to understand where the genetic material goes in an oilseed when it is crushed. The genetic material is tied up in the proteins and therefore moves with the meal. Very little genetic material remains in the oil except for perhaps some of solids that don't get removed in the crushing process. As wd9 indicated, likely would have to be measured in parts per billion or trillion in the case of triffid in linseed oil. Again story about meal from GE crops is different as tom4cwb highlighted recently talking about flaxseed meal/uses.