Lipstick on a pig.......Poll?

[parsley]

1. "given continuing subsidies FROM CWB pools"
For decades, organic farmers contributed to conventional pools, and it came from exhorbitant organic buybacks placed on organic growers. You said nothing. Where were you? As a seed grower, you don't even have to do a buyback. That was a deal negotiated between the CWB and seed growers. How is that working for boarderbloke? You seem very quiet about no buybacks for seedgrowers.

2. "continue to be given dual marketing choices"

As are seed growers. Warburton. Feed mills. All backroom deals.

Organic growers actually fought hard to obtain no buybacks for either conventional or organics. Ancient grain exemptions are for BOTH organic and conventional.

Organcis fought on principle?.

What's yours?
Pars

[stubblejumper]

Black I've been at this farming game for a long time. 30 years ago the Tom's and Parsleys of this world whined, bitched and complained that things weren't fair. they will still be whining bitching and complaining in anouther 30 years because they will still be the minority.

[vvalk]

Stubble you do yourself and all CWB supporters a huge disfavor with that attitude. I would assume you have seen the cwb's own surveys. Vast majority want barley taken off and as for wheat, farmers under forty want choice. Never mind that 70% of the production in grown by choice proponents. Those number are a huge concern for the board. You can stick your head in the sand but elections are every 2 years and the older "hobby" farmers/landlords are dying.Add in future rule changes to elections and maybe in the best interests if the board you should push for change so the board can survive. As is the cWB is dead man walking though wouldn't argue it might take another 3 or 4 elections. 30 years? No way

[bucket]

Stubble believes that votes being sent to "the estate of ________" is a revelavent vote.

In my books estates shouldn't have votes.

[checking]

Stubblejumper.

Did you see the turmoil that came to the Arab world? Did you see the Russian drought, the water problems for the Australian and Canadian crops, and what this would do to markets? Apparently, you believe you have this knack when it comes to the future of the CWB.

Unfortunately for you, you nor anyone knows what will happen beyond this minute's present comfort zone in which your farm exist under your beloved CWB. Don't be so smug that you will continue to enjoy your perceived advantage, long term.

But, please enjoy the moment, as worry lines could occupy the face of your future, and the applied CWB cosmetics you have relied on will not be there to pretty you up.

[stubblejumper]

I can't beleive all the forward thinkers that think they produce all the grain can't come up with an option better than pricing grain into the american market

[gregpet]

"I can't beleive all the forward thinkers that think they produce all the grain can't come up with an option better than pricing grain into the american market "

I can't believe you still do not understand the the U.S. price is the world price and those are the prices we would be receiving in western Canada without hauling our grain south.

[bucket]

Well at the present time the americans are setting the prices since they are the only game in town, so to speak.

Other than that they do have a price formula throught the use of the open market and exchanges that seem to be the place to price wheat.

If it isn't the right market to derive prices from, why does the cwb have a seat on the mgex. Why not the french market?

Its not about being able to sell into the american market, its about getting the american prices when a farmers chooses and let those that buy our grain dispose of it world wide. The same way that canola moves into world markets.

[TOM4CWB]

Stubble...

"I can't beleive all the forward thinkers that think they produce all the grain can't come up with an option better than pricing grain into the american market"

Isn't it amazing that our export CWb wheat is priced in US Currency; quoted on the CWB web site thus... as well?

Isn't it amazing that Aussie wheat growers use the US markets to do swaps and price off US wheat prices... just like the CWB does?

Isn't it amazing Japan buys often more than half of their high grade milling wheat from the US?

You refuse to even read the posts that clearly state we need a fair cash price for our milling wheat... at our local elevator?

That we should be $30/t higher priced DNS 14; rather than US inland delivery points priced: minus frieght to a farm yard in the 'designated area' in Canada?

Do you even care?

[blackpowder]

Stubblejumper

I respect your experience. I have some interesting experiences from the 80's to tell someday myself. (trucking grain and fertilizer into US is something everyone should try) We may have more in common than you think.
I think we can both agree that whining and complaining can be counterproductive.

[parsley]

I whine and bitch. Yup.

I read reports. And statistics. And charts. Sedar. Financial statements. Philosophy. Law. Novels. Commercial stuff. Science.

I'm not particularly good or patient or faithful at any, either. I'm just a people.

And I poke my nose where many feel I have no right to snoop, as in the Export Manufactured Feed Agreement. Or flax testing facilities and costs. Or CGC grain testers,or commercial business.

And I acknowledge stubble, that you and I don't have the same interests.

Therefore, suggesting marketing improvements, or exploring areas of possible agreement in areas of disagreement, or sharing information, or actually having fun as farmers, would show us that all of those things are not a common goal if my instincts serve me well.

I have concluded there remains, some farmers, who still pine for the days of their personal stated number of bushels permitted for milling, by the CWB, annually, hand written inside each yearly permit book. Pars

[blackpowder]

TOM4CWB

TOM, I must apologize, their are times when I don't understand some of your posts. I believe we are on the same side of this debate.

[blackpowder]

Well said Parsley!
So where does one go to explore areas of agreement, suggest improvements or share information?
Perhaps the intent of my original post was just that.
As humans it seems difficult for most to see the glass half full and see forward to change. Doing nothing but screaming negative minutea from yesterday only seems to focus a polarized narrow window on the past.

[vvalk]

Again stubble you embarrass yourself with those "ignorant" comments. Isn't it enlightening to follow pro monopoly arguments and how "simple" their arguments are.

[cityguy]

Blackpowder -
In an "open" market the worst case price scenario should be US elevators less freight back to your place, much like soybeans in Manitoba. That would probably have been the case for much of last year when the US market was to some degree relatively high priced relative to other origins. US exports at less than 900 million bushels was one of the lowest programs in decades with the offset being that the carry out at 1 billion was also one of the highest ever (not including the years when the US government owned the wheat). So your choice would be truck to the US market or simply choose to keep it at home. This year it's different where the "short" supply simply runs values up to effectively price against US values. The result is one of the biggest, if not the biggest US export program ever.

It's pretty straight forward. Canadain producers have to compete against US farmers for fertilizer, crop protection products, machinery costs - why can't they at least base their revenue off of US prices as well. Having to pay North American prices for inputs but only receive world "output" prices doesn't look like a recipe for success long term.