Are you a Seed Saver?

[parsley]

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[SASKFARMER3]

Yes I am and proud of it. Its one area on farm I still control.
But we change up every two years.

[charliep]

[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12394713"]BBC[/URL]

[jamesb]

Parsley,
Organic growers such as yourself has always been anti GMO for many reasons that you or others talk about. The question i'd like to ask you is that, Do you ever see a point at which you could accept GMO's? IE x years testing, etc. I am not picking a fight over this here, id just like another opinion.

[parsley]

lipase

A friendly word for a spelling bee, isn't it.

(btw, I hate to see organics fall behind if everybody else is adding flavorful animal pancreatic tissue to flour. And to bread for the kids sandwiches.)

Well, charliep,(and thanks for the link) I just thought it was so expensive for a flour mill to go to all that expense to add lipase to flour if is merely a<p></p>
<p><strong>[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_food_additives,_Codex_Alimentarius"](food enhnacer)[/URL]</strong></p>

Cheapskate me, I wondered if a dab of vanilla would be a cheaper
"ingredient". Pars

[parsley]

With regards to lipase, james, I am curious why it is added to flour, bread and baked goods, aren't you?

Natural OR modified lipase wasn't my point.

About 85 million tons of wheat flour is used every year to bake bread.

Bread is a staple.

How much wheat flour does Canada export? If not, why not? Could we do something different to sell more flour?

We're familiar with iron and Vitamin B, but what about lipase? Pars

[jamesb]

I understand you have concerns about gmo. What I am asking is Do you ever see a point at which you could accept GMO's?

[cottonpicken]

We cant export flour because it is a value-add.

Value-add is also cost-add,the cost structure of
the product has changed and we cannot compete
for a variety of reasons-wage,various capital
costs,distribution and transport costs,etc,etc

Trust me this is the reason fish are pulled out of
lake winnipeg,shipped to china,processed,and
shipped back to our own store shelves.

Anybody pushing "value-add",needs to be taken
with a grain of salt on what they actually know.

[parsley]

For industrial purposes, other than food, I consider GM grains useful, and inventive and genius.

For example, a parachute made from simulated spider-web/dandelion material (off the top of my head lol) would get me jumping out of airplanes.(You'd assist.LOL)

But continaully introducing changes to basics such as flour, (85 million tons of wheat flour is used every year to bake bread), without regard for long term testing, or without regard for unintended consequences, that so many people will be exposed to, to me is flawed.

Social engineering is what it is.

If you argued that long term test studies, say 20 year, should be run on really confident volunteer farmers and their families,as some have indicated on AV, I'd agree, because the important word is "volunteer"

Mass experimentation is not the way to go.

You may argue, some people "need" immediate help. Corrective experimental action could be studied while presented to volunteers families who exhibit, for example,<p></p>
<p><strong>[URL="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11334614"](a genetic lipase condition)[/URL]</strong></p> in a <p></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/familial-lipoprotein-lipase-deficiency">(specific region)</a></strong></p>
Not trying to be difficult, James, I'd sooner be reading my new book. Pars

[cottonpicken]

What book?

[parsley]

[parsley]

An astonishing book named "Purge" written by Sofi Oksanen, and just published in English.

I just re-read parts of it. I will read it again in its' entirely before spring. Pars

[parsley]

Industry creates buyproducts.

1. Dumping garbage costs money.
2. Selling a byproduct realizes additional revenue.
3. Long-term byproduct sales-contracts are desirable.
4. Legislated use, by others who pay for your byproduct, is the ultimate solution to waste.
5. Whey is a byproduct that obviously developed worth.

6. btw, Aren't Calcium and Vitamin D to be used in concert?

Pars

[parsley]

@16:07

My cut and paste went into pieces after (WHO) sorry. Should be:

(WHO)

would purchase flour "enhanced" with ever-increasing additives used in the West, such as calcium sulphate. Or additives that comes from whey products?

Many additives are byproducts but do they really need to be added to bread?
Would that possibly be Western farmers most likely to lobby the government for additives?

Would that possibly be whey leftovers from Ontario and Quebec cheesemakers?

Nah

[Burbert]

You betcha, we use our own seed lots. Try
to get some new Certyfried every few years
though. Only when its afordable!