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    CWB ship buying

    Grain Growers Question Ship Purchases
    Written by Kelvin Heppner
    Monday, 14 February 2011


    The Canadian Wheat Board has raised some eyebrows by purchasing two lake freighters.



    With the Canadian Wheat Board announcing the purchase of two ships, the Grain Growers of Canada are calling for some discussion on the role and future of the CWB.

    "The Wheat Board is starting to acquire assets, and they've also asked the government if they can take over responsibility for interim and final payments, so we would applaud the Wheat Board for moving forward and being a much more business-oriented organization in that way," says Richard Phillips, Executive Director of the Grain Growers. "But then you have to ask yourself who actually owns the Wheat Board, and who actually owns these assets, because technically, it's still a quasi-agency of the government."

    He says now is the time for a discussion involving the CWB, the Federal Agriculture Minister's office and the Grain Growers to discuss what the Board needs to look like going forward.

    "If the goal is to have farmer ownership of the Board and these assets, then is it a new generation co-op? Are there shares issued like what was done for some of the co-operative grain companies? What sort of model is the Wheat Board going to have going forward that would have the farmer ownership in it so there are some clear lines of responsibility and control," he says.

    "The Wheat Board is buying assets, but who actually owns the Wheat Board? I'm asking that question. Without any share structure to it or any new generation co-op type shares to it, arguably it's the Government of Canada that owns it," says Phillips. "They had a vision a number of years ago where they would get more into transportation, maybe farm supply businesses, if that's where they want to go, then it needs to separate itself from the Government of Canada."


    Interesting.

    #2
    WD9,

    The buying of these ships... brings far more issues into question... than what kind of a business deal it is.

    WHAT is the CWB Plan?

    What will the CWB do... if the return on investment is 7% instead of 15%?

    Who is at risk, growers who use the ships... or everyone including the government of Canada? If it is comming from the pool accounts... the taxpayer could be on the hook if the CWB has a bad year!

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      #3
      [URL="http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/choice/harvesting/pdf/harvesting_opp_0806.pdf"]harvesting opportunity[/URL]

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        #4
        This whole thing smells. The involvement of Upper Lakes Grain Group and its' subsidiaries seems highly unethical and reeks of anti-competitive business activities (a la mafia, like casinos in 1950's Vegas). In essence, corruption. The truth should be exposed. An Order in Council should be immediate to cease and desist this deal until an investigation is completed.

        Better yet, just ban the CWB. Canada doesn't need another outlaw motorcyle gang.

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          #5
          They said they couldn't compete in an open market without infrastructure. Maybe this is the answer.

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            #6
            "gang"

            We can learn something. Even late-bloomers.

            Take what you want. Take what you need. Don't look back. Beat down, anybody who stands in your way. Use anybody to get your way. Offer a deal that they can't refuse. Use force. Pick only partners that can stuff pockets with cash.

            The secret is in not giving a damn. No guilt. If you don't care about anybody, there are no regrets, no hesitations, no obligations, no exceptions. Run over lives.

            That's how you win. Winning becomes all about counting the cash. One goal. Sounds like a perfect evolution.

            And get that kind of goal legislated. A New Parsley

            .

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              #7
              WD9,,
              AWB said the same thing... WHAT Happened?

              Why would the CWB end any differently?

              If the CWB Directors and culture... can NOT deal fairly with growers on the purchase of 2 simple Vessels... what makes you think they will ethically respect the private property rights?

              The 2008 contingency fund fiasco... the ships... and bedding down with Measner... what more proof do you need that the CWB is corrupt and could care less who they trample over... in the pursuit of 'saving' themselves... (the 'single desk')

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                #8
                Dear Charlie,

                I believe it was Wednesday last week BNN did and interview with the President on this paper.

                A question clearly arose... when Canola and pulses were examples of the shining stars of the new generation well working systems based food initiatives... BOTH of which have NO MARKETING BOARDS governing the Value Chain.

                The poor guy was very embarrassed... as he was obviously told NOT to talk about marketing boards!

                It can not be clearer... government regulations and value chains... are like oil and water... value is lost when the two are mixed together!

                BNN to its credit picked this up INSTANTLY!!!

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                  #9
                  All the CWB talk of competing better if (owning infrastructure) is just a disguise for anti-corporate language. The truth is that most of the business world whether construction, manufacturing or even agriculture knows that you don't have to own an asset as long as you have access to it when you need it. In fact it is often poor business management to own an asset that rusts or rots, or in this case, sinks.

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                    #10
                    Agreed Tom4, this is a blunder of immense proportions. On the brightside it may be their downfall.

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                      #11
                      Whats the depreciated value of the hopper cars that the CWB bought? Maybe we outta scrap them all and let someone else buy some? Any volunteers?

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                        #12
                        Dogpatch,

                        Since the hopper cars were bought pre-crow... and can be used anywhere in North America... I do not see why it is even brought up in the same line of thought as the 2 vessels.

                        Rail cars are a very different asset than ships. Like tractor trucks vs. trailers only rail cars are better as they have steel wheels instead of rubber tires that rot!

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