Expose CWB to Canadian voters

[bucket]

The conservatives are not going to change anything regarding farmers in western canada. If you study what they have done to date and analyze it, there is a better chance we were better off with a liberal government.

Agriinvest, the new nisa, is 1.5 percent instead of 3 for eligible net sales and you have to deposit before you get the government share. If I had the money, I would not be begging for more.

Fees on agristablity, nice hey. They can't work on your file until you file your income tax a year later. More money for nothing.

The conservatives like to use western canadian farmers as a cash cow for elections and there is one coming which is why they introduced the private members bill.

I just wish they would go a set of balls and fight an election on this issue.

[freewheat]

The balls they would need would be flea balls, too. Why would the opposition dare go to the polls to defend inequality amongst Canadian farmers? Most Canadians don't have a clue about the board. There would be no fight over it. Why would they fight it? They are an urban bunch of clowns. There is no political gain for them to fight for the CWB. Any time in the last 5 years, the cons could have brought it forward as a confidence vote, but did not. Without being a conspiracy theorist, I think there is more at play. Death threats, etc. Mafia? Who knows? But the are chicken for some reason, and I think it goes beyond the normal realm.

[TOM4CWB]

fjlip,

I left this response in GrainNews:

"I am fine with the CGC doing whatever they want... as long as we have a choice NOT to use their services on export sales. Same goes with CWB marketing services. If both of these institutions do NOT provide good value for our $...

They (the CGC & CWB) should be forced to the same pressures as grain growers...

Innovate and find a better way... or become irrelevant... and then finally will let someone else do the job... who will be serious about change and providing good value for the charge they require farmers to pay!

I still see no true value to this system of grading and marketing milling human consumption grains like wheat and durum... without doing a falling number and flour yield.

Both are the base determination of quality and value... that our Canadian statutory grading & marketing system totally misses.

When are we going to face reality?"

Just an example of what I just did in 15 minutes that informs... educates... and 'innovates'.

There is a wonderful opportunity to educate every person in Canada... with op-eds and community service space in media. RIGHT NOW.

The cost is our time, this will not come cheap.

Either way we must cast off the chains of tradition that provide no useful value!

If every one of us does this for an hour a day... with the great info both John and Larry provide...

If in a rational and polite manner this is served up to folks local and also in distant urban communities... we can change our reality in western Canada.

IT is this simple... but every one of us... and our families... MUST connect and communicate effectively & rationally!

[riders2010]

100000% correct Bucket, Lweber, Freewheat, Cotton.

Let's not just stop at the CWB issue why not the entire ball game.

We are headed into a situation of once again not seeding and I will grant maybe extreme dry hot weather will make an appearance and we will all seed but really? And now we have 70 bucks for not seeded apparently instead of 50 and 30. And no one makes a fart in the wind about it, what *****s!

Agristability will not work for the areas that flooded 2005 06 07 10 and obviously will not work for the very same people in 2011, and no one says anything? Well actually I should say many farmers in those areas are phoning their MLA and MP but we are just too insignificant aren't we. Well you know what people without margins get off your ass this thing isn't going to get better, the guys that had the good weather sure as hell are showing here they will not help.

Block parlaiment for a day, legislative bldg as well and have the real facts about the bullshit of the agriinstability revealed, those that don't need a pay out get the most. Expose the mps and mlas that while in opposition said all the right things but now that they are in giving us the the f you, well not thanks actually f you back!

Livestock producers being f'd over in the bse thing that was caused by government itself and a few greedy feedlots using that shit for feed never being held accountable.

And yes of course the cwb reveal the facts obviously not hard to do. Chaffmeister made a comment that we cannot do the same thing and expect a different outcome. Well didn't we put a Conservative government in power? Alot of good that got us, no end to cwb and they f'd up agri-screwjobability even more than it was in the first place. Or was it a f up, maybe it's the plan?

Which brings me to a general question do you think that the failure of the ag programs for some and a bonus for others is intentional? When the rulers of the so called investment ag companies that are buying 30 40 50 quarters of land at auctions, and the rulers of these companies are who? aren't many of them people that ran or run parts of current and past political parties? these parties control the programs? or am I wrong maybe, but look at the names on the websites and google them and see the connections come up, see what you think it's interesting to say the least. Put 2 and 2 together, when it was said the other day that 6.5 billion went into that program who got it? maybe they don't need a lottery ticket they made their own with taxpayer money I might add.

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION

[jdepape]

freewheat:

Could you email your phone number to me at cwb@depape.ca

I'd like to chat about a couple of things.

John De Pape

[Muskeg4dirt]

I will find a way as well to contribute whatever it takes! I agree that the endless complaining has to stop and its high time to put our money where our mouth is! CN and countless other groups get what they want by effective lobbying! We need to organize educate and do the same! Get'er done! We've had enough already!

[agriman]

A march on Ottawa is so yesterday. Big ads in big national newspapers will be more effective in explaining what the CWB system is doing to western agriculture and in alerting politicians of the strength of anti-CWB feeling.

1. A proper campaign in both papers would run about $125K. Ad rates are negotiable. Production cost would be negligible.

2. A full page ad has 5X the impact of a half age ad.

3. To raise $125K would take 500 contributions of 250, 250 contributions of $500, etc. Each could give what he can with no maximum but a $100 minimum. Any excess would be donated to a universally-approved charitable cause such as world hunger.

5. Checks would be post-dated to some future date and would not be cashed until and unless there is enough money.

6. Contributors would be listed by name or 'anonymous' as they prefer. Some may not want to risk CWB retribution.

7. Donors would see the ad in advance but endless opinionating and suggesting would have to be avoided. Domors who do not want to be associated with it would get their cheque back.

8. This is a one-shot project to be timed for the pre-election period.

9. Certainn ag newsletter publishers could be pursuaded to work on a professional ad as a service to their subscirbers.

[freewheat]

John, I'll eat dinner here, and send you my number.

[JDGreen]

John Depape,

Thank you for your reply. Here's how i see it. Yesterday I phoned 4 farmers who are anti-CWB to say the least. I asked them each if they would participate financially in what we are discussing. (lobbies,advertsing etc.) I received the same response from all 4. What will we get for the money??

Here is an idea. Dedicate a portion of any subscriptions into trust until such time as there is enough gas in the tank to head to Ottawa. Provide financial details annually to where these funds are being appropriated. There is a trust issue and a genuine feeling among farmers that a subscription or a donation of any type is a money grab and a waste. They are uninformed. Something has to change here and complete transparency unlike the CWB will garner a bigger support base.

500 bux is nothing in my opinion and if some of the changes I have suggested were to be integrated I am willing to pay much much more than 500 bux. Show me annually where it went and the results, and i will send it again.

[riders2010]

Jdgreen is right, what are people signing onto here? Is it a roundabout way for free election spending money for the conservatives to say those liberals and ndp caused all this mess and we conservatives are the answer. Because they clearly have demonstrated this issue is not priority for them.

Is the public the target, because someone in ontario, quebec or maritimes isn't gonna base their vote on western canada cwb issue that's for sure.

Will the truth that the western mps have sat on their asses about this issue be made clear?

Is the target to get liberal and ndp mps to vote for change? I agree with another poster we have more chance of getting rid of the cwb by telling the liberals if you gives option out of cwb we will elect you.

Is the target to get conservatives to actually put up or shut?

Should we attempt to elect independant candidates that would push to bring these bills up for vote?

If liberals came out tommorrow and stated to western canadian farmers if you vote us in we will give you option out of cwb, would you die hard conservatives vote for them? I would in a heartbeat!!!!!

who is the target?