Count Michael Ignatieff

[jamesb]

http://ezralevant.com/2011/03/why-is-count-michael-ignatieff.html

[jensend]

probably the same kind of attack as the communists made against his grandparents. kind of ironic.

[Fransisco]

I don't think I've ever heard Ezra Levant being referred to as a "communist" before. LOL!

[jensend]

but he spouts the same crap.. there's the irony.

[FarmRanger]

Just curious jensend, what part was "crap"? Ignatieff was the one who brought up his poor immigrant ancestors, and when he did that, I would think it became fairplay to challenge the validity of such a claim.

My great-grandparents came here with the clothes on their back, not 2 million dollars. Maybe thats why I'm a farmer and not a Harvard professor. ;-)

[TOM4CWB]

FarmRanger,

The honesty of Count Iggy is revealing... our nation will be a sad mess by the time Iggy is done with us.

Iggy 'elected.'? Count Iggy was coronated leader of the liberal party of Canada.

The Liberals wouldn't allow democracy to get in the way of Iggy.

Here is Iggy's family, [wiki]

"Family
Ignatieff numbers many prominent Canadian and Russian historical figures from both sides of his family among his ancestors. Paternally, his grandfather and great-grandfather were Count Pavel Ignatieff, the Russian Minister of Education during the First World War and Count Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev, an important Russian statesman and diplomat. His mother's grandfathers were George Monro Grant and Sir George Robert Parkin, and her younger brother was the Canadian Conservative political philosopher George Grant (1918–1988), author of Lament for a Nation.

His great-aunt Alice Parkin Massey was the wife of Canada's first home-grown Governor General, Vincent Massey. He is also a descendant of William Lawson, the first President of the Bank of Nova Scotia.

Ignatieff is married to Hungarian-born Zsuzsanna M. Zsohar, and has two children, Theo and Sophie, from his first marriage to Londoner Susan Barrowclough.[8] He also has a younger brother, Andrew, a community worker who assisted with Ignatieff's campaign.[3]

Although he says he is not a "church guy", Ignatieff was raised Russian Orthodox and occasionally attends services with family.[9] He describes himself as neither an atheist nor a 'believer'.[10]"

No wonder Iggy wants to dump the F35's and buy Russian MIG's!

[TOM4CWB]

"...[Iggy]He describes himself as neither an atheist nor a 'believer'.[10]"

Does that make him a hypocrite?

"...a person who pretends to be what he or she is not; one who pretends to be better than is really so, or to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so..."

[mustardman]

No Tom that would make him an agnostic just like most of Canadians

[TOM4CWB]

Mustardman,

The 'Inconvenient truth'...

"The 2001 Canadian census reported that 77% of Canadians claim adherence to Christianity, followed by no religion at 16%.[1]"
Source: Religion in Canada
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is why Mustard... in case you care!

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/agnostic.htm
"Agnostic - Evidence For God?
Can the agnostic know whether or not God exists? Is such knowledge obtainable by mere men? Modern scientific endeavor seems to indicate that such knowledge is obtainable to the objective observer. Let's examine the facts objectively…

Design necessitates a designer. This is a fundamental axiom. Thus, design detection methodology is a prerequisite for many fields of human endeavor, including archaeology, anthropology, forensics, criminal jurisprudence, copyright law, patent law, reverse engineering, crypto analysis, random number generation, and SETI (the Search for Extra-terrestrial Intelligence). In general, we find "specified complexity" to be a reliable indicator of the presence of intelligent design. Chance can explain complexity but not specification; a random sequence of letters is complex but not specified (it is meaningless). A Shakespearean sonnet is both complex and specified (it is meaningful). You can't have a Shakespearean sonnet without Shakespeare. (William A. Dembski, "The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities," 1998.)

When we apply the general principles of detecting specified complexity to living creatures, we find it reasonable to infer the presence of intelligent design. Common sense demands a Designer. Let's take the e-coli bacterial flagellum for example. The e-coli bacterial flagellum is what propels e-coli bacteria through their microscopic world. It consists of about 40 different protein parts (which come into focus when magnified 50,000 times using electron micrographs), including a stator, rotor, drive shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It is not simply convenient that we've given these parts these specific names - that's truly their function. The bacterial flagellum is a microscopic outboard motor! These microscopic outboard motors are absolutely amazing - a marvel of engineering. They can run at an incredible 100,000 rpm. Nevertheless, they can stop on a microscopic dime. In fact, it takes only a quarter turn for them to stop, shift gears and start spinning 100,000 rpm in the other direction! The flagellar motor is water-cooled and is hardwired into a signal transduction (sensory mechanism) so that it gets feedback from its environment! ("Unlocking the Mystery of Life," documentary by Illustra Media, 2002.)

The point is, if you were to find a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, or propeller in any vehicle, any machine, any toy or model, you would recognize it as the product of an intelligent source. No one would expect any outboard motor, much less one this incredible, would ever be the product of a chance assemblage of parts. That is absurd. Outboard motors are the product of intelligent design. (Michael Behe, "Darwin's Black Box," 1996.)

The term "Irreducible Complexity" was first coined by Michael Behe in describing these molecular machines. Each mechanical part is absolutely necessary for the whole to function. Thus there is no naturalistic, gradual, evolutionary explanation for the existence of a bacterial flagellum. Not only does common sense demand a Designer, there is no plausible naturalistic explanation to explain away the necessity of a Designer.

The bacterial flagellum is only one among many thousands of intricate well-designed molecular machines. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, "Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world." (Michael Denton, "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis," 1986, p. 250.)"

Do you care?
Mustardman?

I certainly care who is leading our nation... 'The fear of God, is the beginning of all wisdom."

Accountability.

[TOM4CWB]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. [King Solomon] - by Bible.

[checking]

Using science tools to explain the existance of God! Hmm!

Well, then I guess using those same tools to explain the several mass extinctions, and mass repopulations of new critter forms that have happened on our atom sized planet in the vastness of universal infinity should be an allowable explanation. Otherwise, God has had to keep visitng our speck to refill the voids.

I guess that's my cue to turn over that field rock to see if there is anything new under it. Heck, it's still frozen down. (lol)

[FarmRanger]

<i>"Using science tools to explain the existance
of God! "<i>
Science will likely never fully explain the
existence of God, but it is rational to leave room
for the possibility of a creator. In addition to
irreducible complexity, there's the Cambrian
explosion in which we find a sudden appearance
of a myriad of species in the fossil record. This
flys in the face of evolutionary theory, but
meshes nicely with the biblical Genesis account
of creation.

Just saying, because creationists often get
accused of being "unscientific".

[Happytrails]

The only thing that I worry about is the arrogance of the aggressive non believers. How they can enjoy the blessings of life without being thankful to some power outside of themselves is a mystery to me. Way self serving. I decided recently that I am a pantheist. We believe that all creation is God. HT

[FarmRanger]

Proverbs 2:1-5

[Wheatking]

Call me an agressive non believer. How come all
you cowboys seem to be such irrational
believers. I have only myself and my
surroundings to thank for my lot in life, not a
higher power. and I certainly don't base who I
vote for on what they believe. I could really care
less as long as they do what's right for me and
country. You churchy's are exactly what's wrong
with the conservative party and are what is
keeping them from a majority.