Stevie and Helena

[riders2010]

What really happenned between those two?

I mean really is this all about harper listenning to someone that called her basically not my words, not a nice lady, exotic sex, coccaine, groupies, etc. and yet she does not even file a harrassment or wrongful liable suit? Just take me back to the party if I get elected she knows he's the leader?

There is way more to this nobody sane would allow themselves to be humiliated that badly in front of the world and have evidence that if those are the allegations then there is no proof.

If those are all the allegations then both harper was right to maybe have her step a side but not kick her out until the facts were known and wrong for the opposition to jump on it until they knew the facts too. What is really going on there? Raheem?

[furrowtickler]

Don't fret, I am sure that Iggy is a perfect role model for you and yours. Oh yeah, turn your back on Canada and come back 20 years later to tell all us dumb Canadian to vote for him, cause he knows whats best for us. At least Jack has been a Canadian for ever. Or give the finance job to someone who hides his shipping fleet under Burmuda to avoid paying high Canadian Taxes.
Yeah, thats much better.

[FarmForProfit]

I think Jack is a pompous ass but at
least he is a canadian and has lived
here. iggy should get deported

[riders2010]

Actually Layton has alot of good program ideas, most of them fit with family values. I haven't made my mind up who to vote for, I am pretty sure the one I am not gonna vote for! May even strategic vote, some ridings here are closer than people think. Cold day in hell before I vote for someone that thinks he is above democracy!

I voted conservative last election, I expected someone not to hideout on the hill and be a control addict. There is no point voting for my mp because there was absolutely no word from my mp over the last how many years and we had some serious issues here.

As far as Iggy goes he should have made more effort here, the first thing he should have done was appoligize to the west for the shit we took from chretien. I think we are all looking for some honesty here not all the gamesmanship, who has the best add how about who's gonna tell the truth instead. He should have started by giving choice in regards to the wheat board. Until the flat out appology happens and that is what it will take they go no where here. But if you did see his interview from I think Regina he did mention mistakes were made here, trouble is it was one small comment.

The fact that he went to the States does that really in itself make him a bad person? oooh boy he lived in the States I don't get it, but that is what negative brainwashing does! All of us are connected to immigrants some form or another aren't we? Those that are running him down for that, are you saying that about all the snowbirds heading south for the winter, ooh boy they must not like Canada, how stupid is that. I didn' t realize the work he did to help minimize casualties during war, and the nutballs spun it to say he told bush what to do? Do you believe micheal ignatieff from canada told george bush how to run the war? how nuts is that?

As far as policy I don't believe that tax breaks to the corporations are the answer. Canada is headed for a crash, did you hear the warning from alta today that energy prices are about to go bullistic, how high and no one of the parties talking at all about it? It is good for the oil boys but what about the rest of us? The oil tycoons don't need tax breaks do they? It's just my opinion the average canadian family needs the break just look at family debt. Conservatives are on a path for big business only because they see the crash coming and they want to protect their wealth at the expense of everyday families jmo.

But you know the Helena thing why isn't there an explanation for that and all the other un-priminister like things going on there, that is my point, why won't he answer the questions? To me just as embarrassing as chretien, and mulroney stuffing money in paper bags and yes martin and the ship thing.

I agree there is almost nothing to vote for. What is the solution? Maybe a new party from grass roots so to speak, any bullshit your out? One thing 3 parties federally is almost too much but 4 with one only in one province is really screwing the whole thing up even more, imo. Best scenerio is 2 strong parties one a little left one a little right and back and forth on a few issues, but that would be a perfect world.

[liberty]

Expecting the Liberals to apologize over the Wheat Board and institute market choice has about as much chance of happening as Nixon admitting guilt over Watergate. The Liberal party is fundamentally broken, and it's not a recent phenomenon. Under Trudeau, they adopted a deliberate policy of alienating Western voters because they felt they had all the votes they needed in Quebec and Ontario to get a majority. That actually worked well for around 20 years, but then along came the Bloc Quebecois and that was the beginning of the end for Liberal rule. Now their base of support is limited to clusters of seats in three main Canadian cities, and if current polling trends continue, even that is in jeopardy. Rather than re-examine the policies that got them into this mess, the Liberals are still clinging to the last vestiges of their peculiar Trudeaupian arrogance.

[riders2010]

Most of what you said is why I voted conservative last time.

But fact is we are living today and not 20 years ago, this all for big business policy is not what we need. The usa tried that and now they are trying to scramble to find scapegoats to take the blame for it's failure, namely the public the public is rising up it's a mess headed to?

Like I said we don't need someone bunkered down on the hill not allowing any mps any input on anything, that's just being to back in the past at least for me. The crooks and prostitute thing is emberrassing, especially when no explanation is given, and that isn't 20 years ago that was days ago.

I was just thinking could you imagine the spectacle if he came out and did appologize for what happenned in the past? Someone would find fault in that also likely though, but it is the kinda thing our politics for all parties need to mature to. Admit your mistakes, be honest about things done wrong or even unintentionally went wrong. But in todays world if you do that you're toast likely, which speaks alot about us as a society doesn't it, and maybe it's why we cannot get the politicians and kinda parties we all want. We say we want these things but in some ways we don't let it happen, someone would spin it into meaning something else.

[jensend]

what harper has done for the conservatives is make it possible for them to win. he's had a win at any cost attitude the same as the liberals have had and the truth doesn't matter to either side. if he gets his majority, and it's certainly looking more possible, and brings in a reform agenda it will be the last govt the conservatives form for a long time. if ontario votes him in on an economic platform and he does the reform social agenda he'll have poisoned the well for a long time.

[TOM4CWB]

Jensend...

YOU ARE FEAR MONGERING.

Even Morris Dorish in Agriweek this week agrees Supply Management is safe under the Conservatives.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and respect for HUMAN RIGHTS and PROPERTY RIGHTS are clearlythere...
JUST
Read the 'Conservative Founding Principals':

The Conservative Party will be guided in its constitutional framework and its policy basis by the following principles:

A balance between fiscal accountability, progressive social policy and individual rights and responsibilities;
Build a national coalition of people who share these beliefs and who reflect the regional, cultural and socio-economic diversity of Canada;
Develop this coalition, embracing our differences and respecting our traditions, yet honoring a concept of Canada as the greater sum of strong parts;
The Conservative Party will operate in a manner accountable and responsive to its members;
A belief in loyalty to a sovereign and united Canada governed in accordance with the Constitution of Canada, the supremacy of democratic parliamentary institutions and the rule of law;
A belief in the equality of all Canadians;
A belief in the freedom of the individual, including freedom of speech, worship and assembly;
A belief in our constitutional monarchy, the institutions of Parliament and the democratic process;
A belief in the federal system of government as the best expression of the diversity of our country, and in the desirability of strong provincial and territorial governments;
A belief that English and French have equality of status, and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and Government of Canada;
A belief that the best guarantors of the prosperity and well-being of the people of Canada are:
The freedom of individual Canadians to pursue their enlightened and legitimate self-interest within a competitive economy;
The freedom of individual Canadians to enjoy the fruits of their labour to the greatest possible extent; and
The right to own property;
A belief that a responsible government must be fiscally prudent and should be limited to those responsibilities which cannot be discharged reasonably by the individual or others;
A belief that it is the responsibility of individuals to provide for themselves, their families and their dependents, while recognizing that government must respond to those who require assistance and compassion;
A belief that the purpose of Canada as a nation state and its government, guided by reflective and prudent leadership, is to create a climate wherein individual initiative is rewarded, excellence is pursued, security and privacy of the individual is provided and prosperity is guaranteed by a free competitive market economy;
A belief that the quality of the environment is a vital part of our heritage to be protected by each generation for the next;
A belief that Canada should accept its obligations among the nations of the world;
A belief that good and responsible government is attentive to the people it represents and has representatives who at all times conduct themselves in an ethical manner and display integrity, honesty and concern for the best interest of all;
A belief that all Canadians should have reasonable access to quality health care regardless of their ability to pay; and
A belief that the greatest potential for achieving social and economic objectives is under a global trading regime that is free and fair.

[TOM4CWB]

http://www.conservative.ca/party/founding_principles/

[jensend]

i'm not fear mongering. i'm just a heck of a lot more pragmatic than someone whose blind loyalty (to whatever party or cause) makes it easier for abuses and corruption to occur.

[riders2010]

You know that party platform is so vague and general, they may as well have added a warning label that the conservtive party
"MAY CONTAIN NUTS" lol

[agstar77]

What do you mean may???? One of the B.C. Cons is getting support from the Lockerbie bomber, How's them cashews?