CWB Pool on Marketing Freedom Day!!

[Raven]

Adam Smith, its important to correct your statement that the CWB Act was "written and enacted during the height of WWII".
Actually, the CWB Act which was written in 1935 was voluntary, and it was Regulation P.C. 7942 under the war Measures Act which gave the CWB a monopoly control during the war. I have the regulation. I also have a January 8, 1946 letter written by the CWB lawyer telling the government that the powers granted in wartime would not hold up in peacetime.

The Act you are referring to was actually made in 1947 and the significance is that it added Part IV to the Act. Is it important? Well the first clue should be that the CWB excludes it in its website "History". (just checked again- nothing, they skip from 1943 to 1948).

Part IV is the so called monopoly part of the Act and remains essentially unchanged since 1947. From access to information the purpose was to act as a national export/import tax.

I suggest that if export licences which have worked for eastern farmers for years and could be implemented immediately by regulation, are not good enough for you, that rather than demand nothing less than a total repeal of the Act from a government whose policy is to keep the Act that you consider the suggestion of a repeal of Part IV of the Act.

Like you, I love the thought of total destruction, but its just not going to happen.

[parsley]

Brave:
Once I have an interprovincial/export license in hand, I can truck malt barley to Big Rock in Calgary. Or milling wheat to Robin Hood in Ontario.

It means I don't do a buyback, Nor pay a fee.

[BTOfarmallll]

Adam Smith Who????

[Braveheart]

Parsley, you're right, with that license you could go, but I don't need a license to send canola to Yorkton or Velva ND. I'm saying let's not settle for anything less than that. When you wake up on that glorius morning when the monopoly is gone have it so you can send your organic grains anywhere unencumbered by someone else's whims.

Once when I was touting some half-baked scheme I had come up with, you looked at me and said with conviction, "You can't be half pregnant". This time I'm returning the favor.

[TOM4CWB]

Good Discussion!

Simply Totally remove Part IV (4) of the CWB Act and regulations.

Put in Part IV that says no monopoly unless 99% of Canadians want the monopoly to be deployed... so no confusion over the intent of removal of Part IV now in place.

No export licenses at all. No Licensing Department at all. Costs cut. CWB maintains is right to market and control wheat and barley it owns. Vote to add or take away grains as per CWB Act... of course now voluntary base as Part IV is GONE.

[Raven]

"no cost export licenses is a bogus idea" Braveheart, do you know something the CWB doesn't? They tell the court that they have to control them. Of course export licences are not the goal, they are the means.

The CWB system of control is unsustainable without the crucial element of CAPTIVE SUPPLIES. The captive supplies are YOUR GRAIN and all producers grain. Loss of captive supplies means the CWB's legislated control over elevators, railways, flour mills, maltsters etc. will be meaningless.

As an example, right now you are free to sell your grain throughout your province. But it is the CWB's control over any and all of your meaningful buyers and they won't let them buy from you. The CWB of course can't control out of country buyers but they use the legislated requirement (for all Canada) that all exporters must have an export licence. The denial of export licences to producers means they have no one to sell to but the CWB.

Certainly changes to the Act could change this system, but Parliament works slowly. Export licences mean immediate loss of the captive supplies and ENSURES meaningful changes to the CWB Act. Also, we should recognize that the buyers and handlers of our grain benefit from captive supplies and my observation is that they are comfortable with the present system inspite of the controls imposed upon them.

I agree with the CWB on this one: without captive supplies of producer's grain the system will not work.

[parsley]

I agree with it being a temp fix, braveheart.

I can visulaize: CPC hand out freedom-licenses to farmers for a year,until a bunch of their MP's carouse with Jack at the Massage parlour, and then agree to defeat the government by voting with their newfound NDP tanning-bed mates, and all of a sudden licenses are again denied. Temporary relief has an unknown due date. ;~p

In the meantime, it's the best overnight marketing relief I can come up with. Pars

I too want the CWB Act to be thrown out the door, I'll as for a zero deficit on Tuesday, but asking for a zero debt is just a litle trickier.

btw, BTO, I think Adam Smith must have moved to Inuvik. His words have been frozen for too long. Pity. Some of them are well worth their meaning, aka "sound advice". But then again, some of them may now be muddled by the aging-syndrome.

[Burbert]

Change will be tomorrow, cause its gotta
happen man. The sky is falling the sky is
falling, us greedy farmers want it all,
and we want it now. Give us what we
deserve, freedom, freedumnb, freedumnb.
We got Bin, sos now we kin all get reach
asap.. The bogy man is gone, let
freedumnb rain!

[AdamSmith]

Pars, not in Inuvik, it's a Scotish bog. At least that's what it looks like today.

Was simply tired of spinning my wheels in the never ending "CWB bad, No, CWB good" debate.

We've now shifted into a new paradigm.

How's this sound: beginnig yesterday free licences to those who have un contracted wheat and barley, introduce a bill for first reading, that Repeals Part IV, Part V (that includes the vote to exclude part) and line item repeals of any parts of Part III (or any other part) that gives the cwb any regulatory authority, all on a date no later than Aug1. 2012.

I can live with that.

It might even be fun watching as the cwb directors neurons zap and short circut when they finally realize they can no longer tell anyone else what to do.

[Braveheart]

Pars and Raven, if you're suggesting export licenses right now but only while the bulldozer lines up to knock down the monopoly, well fine. I just don't want to detract from something I've waited most of my life to see. I do want this done right. No chance for any Charlie Mayer slip ups like with the 40 day Continental Barley Market.

I don't want any "Vision Papers", Marketing Panels, travelling Senate Committees, White Papers, etc. No wasting what little post ship buying money might be left in CWB pool accounts to finance lobby fillibuster efforts. I believe the market forces can and would sort it out.

No mistake about it. To quote one of your brethern Raven, "Nevermore".

[parsley]

Trump Card:

If the new minister issues licenses, grab them. Truck. Truck. Truck. Vote with your truck.

"Four Million bushels exported first Week" blazing across the Western producer looks good-on the Government..

Means the opportunity to :
VOTE WITH YOUR TRUCK.

More effective than a series of meetings filled with the Board's "dead-guys' ballot" voters' uncles.

In fact, voting with your trucks could entirely eliminate the desperate herd BAWLING for a mail-in-vote for the 'get a free trip touring the CWB Lavatory" crowd offerred in conjunction with the CBC/CWB folkus scrum.

Trucks bushels. Yup. Smile.

In the meantime, the creek is washing out the grade. Who cares. Back to smile. Pars :~) ;~D