Conundrum

[blackpowder]

After listening to the Jeff Nielsen interview, and The Current. I'm reminded of the reasons that pushed me off the fence. Reasons that thread so deeply through the personal culture that debate seems at times useless.
Finally, the question.
What are you doing with your final permit book??
Framing it or hanging it in the outhouse???
My assorted collection from '41 thru '12 could help teach.

[bucket]

The real sad part of this entire story is that if the cwb would have kept pace with the changes that were made in agriculture in the last 20 years, they would have been a very strong organization. They could have listened to young farmers a decade ago they would have been better off. What they failed to recognize is that farmers were coming home from lucrative careers and were not set in the socialistic ways of the cwb. They worked hard for their money and didn't think waiting for payment or delivery made sense. The cwb didn't adress the issue and still hasn't.

Nielsen even said there were talented people at the cwb. More than likely they are going to be cherry picked to the industry.

The cwb decided to stay the course with people like Oberg instead of looking at plans B thru F. They have no back up plan.

The fact that the liberals dealt away the initials price guarantees years ago signalled things were going to change. And the fact the cwb thought the liberals would protect the entity forever is ignorant at best. Who is to say the liberals won't come out with a voluntary cwb to gain votes in the west in the years to come?


To have no alternative plan is incompetent and really makes you wonder why farmers are not questioning the board of directors as to why they don't have have a plan that compromises to the federal plan. Instead of buying boats, they should have been looking at options.

It is disappointing and incompetent but soon it will be gone which in the long run makes more sense.

The cwb board of directors are the ones that run themselves out of business because they had no plan.

[wmoebis]

I don't disagree Bucket, but on the other hand we have never herd from the market place how they will work in the new world.

Do they have a plan. How will it work for us. We can all say this is how it will be and how great it will be, but we don't have the final say.

We went through the same thing when the gov't was lobbied by certain people, to get rid of the Crow. Lobbiests said "this is how it will be so much better". However the Gov't and railroads had thier own agenda. If lobbiests would have known this is they way it was going to be, I wonder if they would have still lobbied so hard?. Maybe some of those that lobbied could tell us thier thoughts on how it turned out and how we can be sure that same kind of results don't happen again.

We have herd from one side now lets hear the other, not from just lobbiests who think they know but have no power to make it happen.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

When the only reason for the existance of the CWB... is the 'single desk' as stated 1 billion times... they think that it is impossible to get along with the commercial business of marketing grain.

The CWB managers should all be fired... RIGHT NOW.

I recall when John Deere said ONLY conventional Combines were any good.

For years JD said rotaries were garbage.

Until the first STS JDrotary arrived.

Now our dockage and cracks have been decreased by 2-3 percent... in some cases almost enough to make the payments on these combines.

Will the CWB 'cut the heart' out of farmers... and totally trash the goodwill the corporation has built over the last 75 years?

If they do... there needs to be a 'class action' suit against managers and CWB legal council.

It is criminal what they are doing.

The only way the CWB can keep the 'single desk' alive is to keep the price of grain inside the 'designated area' LOWER than world prices for the same quality.

So our port price to growers right now... SHOULD be OVER $14/bu.

But to keep the CWB monopoly alive... the CWB must NOT allow growers a fair price for the grain they own.

This is backwards. The CWB single desk is the worst excuse for a marketing system ever invented... BECAUSE it was designed to take/confiscate/ and then sell grain at below market value... and subsidise sales to prefered customers.

Which the CWB still does... proudly.

So all the 'goodwill' built up with customers... and growers... will be sabotaged and destroyed... to prove they cannot allow the CWB to survive in any functioning role... IF the CWB does survive.... these JUdases will be proven WRONG. These shallow CWB 'single desk' people will never allow themselves to be proven misguided and wrong.

SO the plan to self destruct the Corporation... is in full implementation mode... the count down to anihilation and the CWB disintegrates.

They (CWB single desk freeks) have been planning this for over 10 years.

Anyone who gets in their insane way... will be burned... AND BADLY.

[bucket]

Your right TOM but the managers should have been fired years ago. The fact the cwb board of directors couldn't see Ward W was incompetent has led us to the point where we are today with no plan. This is why it falls on Oberg's shoulders that the cwb will fail. Listen to him sometime, he believes he can tell the government what to do.

Wmoebis

The industry has said they will set a futures for wheat and durum and barley. But why would it be any different than canola. If the grain company needs wheat at the west coast they will narrow the basis to get it. Look at what is happening in the northern tier states for wheat and durum right now. Their prices are way above the cwb. And if the cwb wasn't here right now, you would see those prices in Canada.

The grain industry should adapt a more North American approach for grains and forget about that imaginary line at 49.

If southern prairie farmers could send their grain south to access markets then the system gets freed up in Canada to move grain more efficiently.

I do agree the loss of the crow was a scam. But mostly for liberal senators to up the value of their railroad stocks/dividends. But don't forget there was still one obstacle in the way for more processing on the prairies in regards to board grains. That set the tone for future developments. No different than having the ndp in saskatchewan.

The canola industry has thrived while board grains have lost. There has to be some connection to the cwb's inability to make compromises.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

The Conundrum is this:

The CWB as led today; is bound and determined to beat up the new Conservative majority as much and as often as possible. Inflicting wounds and wrecking as many Conservative peoples reputations as possible.

This is evil at work. These left wing socialist people are simple political terrorists. NOTHING LESS.

They are very sore loosers... and as Fransisco showed the Socialist wing nuts are even bad winners. (Goodale being kicked out of his office)

So tell me anything that they WOULDN"T do... to make Minister Ritz and PM Harper look as bad as possible!!!

[wd9]

Tom4, they won't sell wheat for the best price and provide service and value to the farmers it claims owns and controls them. That would blush the PM the most, but it will never happen, so he is quite safe.

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

It is the 'Devil' made me do it.. at the CWB.

Minister Ritz and PM Harper are to blame for each problem the CWB now has... both imaginary and real.

How can we short circuit this madness?

[sawfly]

first thing , sask.s recent good fortune
has nothing to do with the gov. in power.
how well did we do with Devine open for business.
the price of oil ,grain potash, minerals
put us where we are .

the fact that the oil was not given away at 5$barrel years ago.

and the commie idea that royalties should be paid for resources,
in stead of the right wing, come loot and pilfer, we are just glad for the work attitude .

lucky for us guy's like Blakeney
saw oil poash , etc. as money in the bank. remember the reason potash was nationalised , the companys were refuseing to pay royalties .

Brad wall , may be a good premier, but it was sask's time , more than anything.
and the the socilalist he is , blocking the the potash corp. takeover, to protect our royalties . good job brad.
Allen Blakeney would be proud of you.


another topic . why do we need an
canadian wheat contract.
is that the first sign that US / market access , will not happen.

if we end up with a thinly traded ,manipulated or untraded dog.
then what?

we use Minneapolis, with the board now why not stay that way.
just different basis.

now the board is done
would be a good topic of what everything will look like a year or 2 from now.

you guys that have been pushing for this , tell us what it will look like
and we shall see in a couple of years.
if it actually pans out

[TOM4CWB]

Sawfly,

Ask Allen Oberg. He can do anything he chooses. The CWB could easily start the transition today.

What are the chances they will?

You heard Agstar77 and Burbert. They WANT the CWB to be destroyed. Too bad their selfish hypocracy is going to cost us all big big $$$.

I do not see Oberg reacting any different than Agstar77 and Burbert.

And the Wells/Oberg/Korni's are too proud and arrogant to stop the insanity at the CWB... in truth I am afraid. This is in their hands... and will be there responsibility when the history books are read in 100 years.

Agstar77... I didn't reck one thing at the CWB... you on the other hand... had more chances than you deserved... to transition the CWB into a commercial premium asset for 'designated area' grain growers.

How about doing your duty... NOW!!!