Feeding 9 bln people by 2050

[begood]

Its not sustainable charlie. At the rate we are going; we will run out of oil and food and dry land. Then coal and resources and waste products, not to mention farmers and people who are willing to work. Neither DUPONT and the industry, nor governments are liable to have the solutions.
Just remember that with the next "doubling" that happens in say 36 years; there are more extra humans than all the human beings that have ever inhabited the earth since it began. Those persons born in those 36 years will in all probability consume more resources that all the previous inhabitants since humans were created. THAT IS WHAT THE VIDEOS ARE TRYING TO TELL YOU AND THAT IS WHY EVERYONE INCLUDING NFU SHOULD PAY HEED TO WHAT THE SPEAKER IS SAYING.

[begood]

" Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion"
You are entitled to your opinion-and I'm entitled to challenge it,this is a discussion forum after all.You don't have to agree with someone to tolerate them.Do you?

[TOM4CWB]

NFUr,

I agree.

BeGood;

You said: "you are either stupid or ignorant or misinformed or naive or all those things or more. You do a disservice to the human race..."

WOW. We need not say any more.

God gave us the RIGHT to choose between good and evil. Right and wrong.

Say what you like... you are exercising your rights that God gave you. It is not up to me to judge you or anyone... that is Gods job... not mine!

Bless you! Hope you have a healthy year... and a great crop! Looks like hungry folks will truly need the food we will produce this year! A great time to be a grain grower on Planet earth!!!

[burnt]

Kinda amusing how those like begood who preach and supposedly live by the gospel of "tolerance" say stuff like this -

"Its futile to try to "convert" you;; but its important to point out that you are either stupid or ignorant or misinformed or naive or all those things or more. You do a disservice to the human race and should be held accountable."

Wow! So much for having any credibility!

[begood]

Your problem is that you don't understand arithmetic. That applies to this isse; and it applies to Triffid flax testing.
So you ignore the serious issues and spend your time attacking the messengers.
I predict that you have nothing to worry about. Your way will prevail; you will be happy and will suffer the consequences along with the rest.
In this century; the outcome will be told. I do hope that people such as myself are wrong.

[begood]

It should be fair to expect more from those who consider themselves to be better or superior or have higher "morals" than the rest of us.

[begood]

"Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument".
Begood I'm not dumb,nor am I a religous zealot I questioned your world view and nothing more-stop referring to the you tube clip as if questioning you is questioning math itself.
I understand that population growth appears right now to be like a doomsday scenario(and maybe it is) however the factor that cannot be calculated is human creativity.When the population grows there are more brains(literally)to find solutions to problems.Agriculture in the next ten years will likely be more transformative than the last fifty years.

[burnt]

Nihilism leaves little room, pardon me, NO room for human creativity and the hope that it generates.

Nietzsche did his work well and the negativity and hopelessness that permeates contemporary society has its roots in his sepulchurous thoughts.

It really isn't too hard to understand - which creates the biggest popular reaction, strident proclamations of doom and gloom or assertions that "by our best efforts, we can master this"?

The common human tendency is to default into the easiest path. And that path leads down into despair.

Get out into the sunshine or take your uppers, begood! Life ain't so bad!

[FarmRanger]

<i>It should be fair to expect more from those
who consider themselves to be better or superior
or have higher "morals" than the rest of us.</i>

Funny. The logic reminds me of the book "The
Benefits of Socialism"

"Socialism is tolerance. It is peace. Some turn
their backs on peace by shunning socialism.  In
the name of tolerance and for the sake of peace
we must destroy these people."

[hedgehog]

the problem we all face is the end of oil.
in 25 years , oil/gas will be too expensive to use to make nitrogen.
it will also be too expensive to use in tractors.
there is nothing out there today that will replace either effectively.
without artificial nitrogen, world grain production will drop by two thirds, as any organic farmer will testify.
we have no chance of feeding 8 billion people, even with nitrogen.
world pop will need to fall to pre ww2 levels, ie before Nitrogen.
with one third of the worlds land destined to grow biofuel to power our tractors, the price of wheat will rocket to the level it was at before the prairies were exploited 160 yrs ago.
wheat was 120 shillings(£6) a quarter(8bu) in britain in 1815.
£6 would have paid a man for nearly a year back then.
his entire wage was needed for 8 bushels of wheat, which might have fed him for the year ,just.
by 1894, wheat had dropped below 20 shillings, and wages were £50/yr.
british farmers went bankrupt,and/ or went to canada.
ploughing the prairies saved the west from starvation in victorian times, what will save us this time?

[cottonpicken]

Thanks for those price ratios Hedge,i thrive on them.

A funny one one is how many roman legionaires you
could hire on to days wage converted to silver,or
waitresses pre 1913.

Lets just say we would be well fed and protected.

[begood]

Any helpful creativeness won't come from people who can't understand arithmetic.

[TOM4CWB]

Begood,

Do you understand electricity?

I see the miracle of a thunderstorm... the the millions of tonnes of N washed into the soil... besides all the electrical energy released.

I see a whole different world in our soils... where nitrogen fixation will become the fantastic generator of food for other crops besides pulses and soybeans.

The creativness of our fellow humans cannot be measured... or contained... for as we venture out into the greater universe... we will only gather more ideas... which will in turn create more prosperity and healthy families.


Humanity is only limited by our lack of imagination!

[Hopperbin]

Hedge hog not sure you want a business in Canada these days, the average mining job pays 108 thousand dallars these days not easy to compete. No wonder everyone here is going on strike
Mind you there is high production per person but there must be to a point when shit hits fan.

[hedgehog]

hopperbin, i came to sask in early may 04. it rained heavy, and things didnt look too good. wife didnt like the lack of mountains. looked at a lot of cheap farms, but we went home and stayed put. should have come in summer.
those mining jobs make a fortune!
maybe i,ll come back.
when one group earns too much, it causes problems. in the uk its the banker speculators earning half a million a year that have bought all the land/houses since 2001, forcing it up beyond the reach of everyone else.