cars

[nicolaas]

interesting discussion. I guess what I am after is if a guy could utilize the terminals at the coast to unload his car. I am not an organic farmer.

[hobbyfrmr]

you dont have to be organic. you are on the right thought process. find a directory of port terminals and call them up. Or, call up some flour mills in ontario,quebec and the usa. Dont get discouraged the first go around. Most companies on the first phone call will only get your contact information. This takes time but its not impossible.

[wmoebis]

Nic
Make sure you know your product. Take a good representative sample and make sure that is what is in the car. Grade, moist and protien.

Keep checking it as you are loading to make sure it maintains that quality. If the terminal or mill agrees to take your wheat of a certain quality, then you ship them something else they will not be very quick to take any more from you. Or could even reject it and you could either be stuck with a returned car or it will be sold into the feed market.

The first step and the most important part of quality control is a representative sample taken evenly 'through out' the whole bulk of the grain be it truck, bin or car.

KNOW YOUR PRODUCT.

[hobbyfrmr]

wmoebis, very correct. Sampling important, SGS and CGC can do this. Know what you are selling is correct. I have shipped product out of spec (1% too much wild oats) and it does not go well. It can be worked through but it creates more trouble for both parties.

[notaredneck]

What about the massive cuts the conservatives are doing with the cgc?

[stubblejumper]

Producer Car Questions

Do I need to have a CWB Permit Book to order a producer car?
Yes, producer cars can only be used by farmers. The only way that the CGC knows for certain that the producer car applicant is actually a farmer is if he or she has a CWB permit book.

What about using producer car loading facilities?
Producer car loading facilities are not required to be licensed and bonded by the CGC as long as they meet certain conditions. The conditions, designed to protect producers are: 1.The facility only handles grain on behalf of producers which is intended for loading into producer cars.
2.The facility posts a notice advising producers that it is not licensed under the Act and that the Canadian Grain Commission will not be involved in disputes between the facility and the producer except when they arise at the port location.
3.The facility does not buy and sell grain.
4.The facility allows the Canadian Grain Commission access to its records.
Therefore, grain handled and stored at producer car loading facilities is not protected by security held by the Canadian Grain Commission. A list of producer car loading facilities exempted from licensing is available at: http://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/index-eng.htm

How long do I have to load the car?
You have a minimum of eight hours to load a car. The railway is only legally required to spot the car once.

Who makes the entry in the CWB permit book?
It is the producer’s responsibility to make the initial entry in the permit book as soon as the car is loaded with CWB grains. The net amount is entered when the unload results are achieved. This entry should be made either by the administrator or by you. Failure to make this entry immediately can result in a charge by the Canadian Wheat Board.

What happens in the case of a derailment, fire or theft of the product en route?
The railway has shippers-insurance. Anything they carry from the time the car is loaded and released to the time the car arrives at its destination is covered.

Can more than one producer apply for and load a producer car?
Yes, most hopper cars are bulkhead cars, which means that they have two or more separate compartments. Bulkhead cars can be loaded by more than one producer. Usually no more than two producers ship in the same producer car. Contact the CGC for details of how more than one producer can ship in one car

[stubblejumper]

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/sis12325#producer this is the site where producer car questions came from.

[vvalk]

Stubble. How can you blatantly lie like
that. Without the CWB there is no
producer cars? Is this the level board
supporters have stooped too. Fear
mongering and lying. Pathetic. CWB
administers cars and can continue to if
they chose to in an open market. If not,
anyone can do it. It is a farmers right
to have access to producer cars.

[charliep]

Perhaps the point is there will have to be changes to others federal government acts (including the Canada Grains Act) and regulations before August 1, 2012. Suspect the federal government is aware of this and is reviewing to ensure all appropriate changes are made.

[stubblejumper]

v valk go back to school, learn to read and check out the alberta goverment site.

[vvalk]

so the AB govt site states that "without the CWB and its federal Govt imposed monopoly, there will be no more producers cars? Without the single desk, farmers will never be able to ship grain in a producer car again"
Is this what I am supposed to read because that is what you are saying.
BTW, I like the learn to read comment. Typical

[vvalk]

Lets also be clear that if it has the will, the CWB isn't going anywhere. It can continue to to do everything it did before. Its just the single desk that will disappear. Nothing else.

[hobbyfrmr]

vvalk, you are right on that one. Somehow, I am still having trouble with this paradigm. Its true, the real message is, that the single desk monopoly is going to be eliminated. The CWB can continue its business. There are many farmers who will continue to sell to the CWB and thats fine because, it is a free county. If the CWB is very successful there will be even more farmers doing business with them.

[wmoebis]

hobbyfrmr as you say: "Sampling important, SGS and CGC can do this. Know what you are selling is correct".

I do agree, however the way I look at it is: Do it yourself. Use SGS or CGC to confirm if you can't come to an agreement with buyer.

Your grain is your pay check. Do you keep track of Hrs worked or let the boss?
You walk into a bank with your pay check, you know the value of that check and you watch to make sure the teller gives you the exact amount(every penny). Or do we give them blind trust? SGS and CGC aren't going to be there to watch every load going into your bin or dumped in the pit.

Would a person working for a pay check half blindly run from bank to bank with his check asking who will give me the most for this then not watch and confirm that they were given the correct amount? No, they know the exact value and can walk into any bank and get that same value.

[hobbyfrmr]

As a farmer, at harvest time, I take samples off the combine, every truck into a pail. These uniform bin samples then goto SGS for grading. It costs money, but its worthwhile when time to sell the grain.