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    Take my ball and go home: CWB style

    A foundation of the CWB’s message about the future without the single desk is that it won’t be able to compete with the grain companies that it will be forced to rely on to handle its grain. Allen Oberg recently said:

    ...
    "If the CWB were to continue its grain-marketing role in an open market, it would need to operate as a grain company. A grain company that would need to rely on competing grain companies in order to carry out its business. ...

    ...You will drive to your local elevator, which is now competing with the CWB. This elevator is run by a company with no incentive and no requirement to handle CWB grain."
    ...

    In fact, the CWB has said – over and over for some time – they will not be able to compete while relying on their competitors to handle their grain. Those of us on the other side of this debate have said – over and over for some time – this happens all the time; the grain business is a volume business – bring them volume and they will be eager to negotiate to get your business.

    Yesterday, the Western Grain Elevator Association (WGEA) released a statement on the subject:

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    "The insinuation is that grain handling companies would not be interested in continuing to partner with the Canadian Wheat Board as suppliers of handling services," said Wade Sobkowich, Executive Director of the WGEA. "It's unfortunate that members of the WGEA have not yet been approached by the CWB to discuss maintaining its strong partnership in an open market. Grain companies would certainly be prepared to negotiate handling or marketing agreements with the CWB on standard commercial terms. Our members look forward to entering into discussions with the CWB to ensure an orderly transition to marketing choice in a way that is in the best interest of all participants, including producers."

    Sobkowich adds that handling grains and oilseeds for third parties is commonplace in the grain handling system and would continue with marketing choice. "Grain companies currently offer handling services to third parties who do not own elevators or port terminals, many of whom are direct competitors. It makes good commercial sense for grain companies to provide services to the CWB, especially in circumstances where the volume of wheat and barley to be handled is significant."
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    So where is the CWB leadership? They’ve taken this position without even discussing any of this with the grain handlers. And the grain handlers “look forward to entering into discussions with the CWB”.

    It would make much more sense to approach the members of the WGEA (and other grain handlers) and negotiate commercial terms. Only after trying sincerely and failing, should you come out and say “it won’t work.”

    This approach by the CWB board is the epitome of arrogance. There are many things the CWB could be and do; this kind of opportunity is rare. But let’s face it; they don’t want a voluntary CWB to work and have failed to even try. Many, many farmers, expecting them to work on their behalf, should be very disappointed in the CWB board right about now.

    My guess is that the majority of CWB directors are still in a mindset where they are not going to accept the removal of the single desk and, unfortunately, all their efforts will be going into fighting change rather than pursuing opportunities on behalf of farmers. Like the playground brat, since they aren’t getting their way, they’re threatening to take their ball home.

    I’m sorry to say that we are likely faced with the prospect of a summer and fall of the CWB making resistant “why bother?”type of statements, only to be corrected – over and over – eroding any confidence the board leadership might have had. Unfortunately, the end result may be a completely impotent CWB, not able to provide value in a voluntary market, or no CWB at all – simply because its leadership failed.

    www.cwbmonitor.blogspot.com

    John De Pape

    #2
    Could it just be that the CWB has no direction on what Mr. Ritz has planned?

    I don't see how they can have talks when they don't know the parameters they will work in, If any.

    I think that Mr Ritz et al have no idea on how things will work they just know they want to get rid of the CWB and have absolutly no idea of how or what the out come will be.

    Sure reminds me of the CROW.

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      #3
      It is lack of leadership and vision on Oberg's part.

      There is a opportunity for the cwb to have contracts in place for the August 2012 year. They could find the markets, price the grain, sign contracts with farmers, and then find a grainco that wanted the business. Not necessarily in that order. But there is an opportunity.

      If the cwb continues they will lose business as farmers will look elsewhere for their financial viability. Graincos will pick up the void the cwb is currently leaving.

      That is why Oberg should resign. His only goal is to argue "his way or the highway" and destroy the cwb from within. Then blame everyone else so he can say "...I told you so..."

      We need leadership and a vision.

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        #4
        They say the single desk cant compete, that tells me they dont pay what they should be paying us and dont want to.

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          #5
          Better question Mr. DePape:

          How does the cwb go from telling farmers they are an excellent marketer of grain earning premiums worldwide to a position of weakness because the minister tells them to do it differently?

          They currently use the MGEX to price our grain. How can that change going forward?

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            #6
            I will note it is more than Ritz that is driving the need for change. It is federal government policy as articulated over many years. It is also the policy positions of both the governments of Alberta and Saskatchewan.

            <a href="
            http://ca.news.yahoo.com/alberta-holds-firm-cut-wheat-board-monopoly-090510157.html">Alberta</a>

            <a href="http://www.leaderpost.com/news/backs change/4954380/story.html?id=4954380">Saskatchewan</a>

            Perhaps the most important concept to understand is change is coming based on revised legislation. The CWB has to develop a plan themselves (their responsibility) of how they will operate in the new world.

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              #7
              If I was employee, I would be looking for another job with the comments Oberg has made.

              He really kicked the employees in the balls with all his comments.

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                #8
                Oops. Broken link.

                [URL="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/alberta-holds-firm-cut-wheat-board-monopoly-090510157.html"]Alberta[/URL]

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                  #9
                  You're kidding, right?

                  No direction? Let's see - Ritz says to the board, "You will not have the single desk anymore starting Aug 1, 2012. Tell me what you see as the best approach for the CWB and let me know what you need."

                  Dead silence.

                  After years of fighting the government, resisting "direction" that it has tried to give the CWB, now they want "direction"?!

                  The CWB has a blank piece of paper; what it writes on it is up to the "leaders" of the CWB. Ritz has basically said "Tell me what you need".

                  And to this the directors say "but the grain companies won't play" <b>without even talking to them about it!</b>

                  Could it be that the directors are so entrenched in their thinking that they can't think outside the bin even to save themselves?

                  Can't have talks without parameters, you say? Really?

                  Let's see - Ward and Ian ask for a meeting with each grain company (and surprise, surprise, the graincos agree!!) In these meetings, Ian and Ward indicate that they would like to enter into a commercial arrangement with the company - country handling, terminal handling, pricing mechanisms for farmers, options to ship to Churchill, commercial terms, etc.

                  They go back to their office and call in senior staff and analytical types. "This is what we can do with the graincos. Figure out what we can offer farmers and report back to us with what we need to ask the government for."

                  The staff toil away for a while and report back.

                  <b>Now they have parameters.</b>

                  Now they can go to Ritz and say "here's what we've developed - agreements in principle, memorandums of understanding, commercial parameters - and here's what we feel we need to go forward."

                  Yes, they may not get what they want - <b>but they haven't even tried yet.</b>

                  They should at least try instead of lying about it.

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                    #10
                    If the CWB is voluntary why do we need any legislation or ACT or Minister?

                    Is there going to be a Cargil or Vitrra Act?

                    If we aren't going to have the Board why do we need any gov't involvement in how we market our grain?

                    Lentil ACT Canola Act?

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                      #11
                      wmoebis - you're absolutely right.

                      I think that we may see a transition period where things like government guarantees are treated differently than they are now before they are gone completely and so will need some legislated structure.

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                        #12
                        The only act cargill or viterra need is to **** their customers once and see what happens.

                        The Patterson, P&H, Richardsons, etc will be waiting for the business.

                        Its not too hard to understand, is it?

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                          #13
                          bucket - don't forget the other companies that will show up. They too will be happy to pick up some business.

                          Who knows - maybe even one will want to operate Churchill in partnership with the CWB.

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                            #14
                            Groundspeed hit the nail on the head and summarized this whole mess.

                            "They say the single desk can't compete, that tells me they dont pay what they should be paying us and dont want to".

                            If the CWB says they can not compete, for growers grain as some sort of co-op, then why do we want the CWB to remain in place. Who is willing to sell to them at a lower price is waht they are saying. They are telling us they are a high cost inefficient method of trading grain. I thought this was an efficient way for the farmer to get the most money? If it is, and they beleived that, then they can compete. Yet they say they can not compete. End of discussion.

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                              #15
                              Alliance grain, who currently deals in lentils, would be an obvious fit to buy smaller lots of wheat and durum and ship them with their lentil or chickpeas.

                              There is an opportunity for a new player for the marketing of our wheat and durum?

                              That market, that most cwb supporters don't know, isn't even serviced by the cwb because the cwb thinks it is too small.

                              But alliance can and probably will make it work.

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