Take my ball and go home: CWB style

[charliep]

Stuff I should know but does a CGC certificate final on an export sale need a grade assigned to it today? What happens if it is not handled in the traditional grading sense (Western Canadian wheat for ________) but rather a contract specification?

A few ago in the Ukraine but had a look at a CGC document with a grade/basic information but the main contract was around an SGS document which went into more details about the wheat being delivered relative to the terms in the actual contract.

[charliep]

CGC definition certificate final.

English term: Certificate Final

English definition: issued by the CGC for each cargo of export grain; the Certificate Final stipulates the grade and weight of the grain loaded on a vessel (Official Grain Grading Guide)

[chuckChuck]

Why would any grain company be interested in the survival of the CWB in any form? If you want to maximize returns for shareholders fewer players means less competition. After Aug 1, 2012 we will have an open market. It doesn't matter wether the CWB is around in some form or not because it will not be able to function as a strong player or provide any significant benefits.

The reality is there are two classes of farmers in this country. One class has the protection of supply management, import controls, cost of production under supply management for dairy and poultry. The rest have no protection except some inadequate safety nets.

The Conservatives are supporting the dairy and poultry marketing boards and all their protection, interfering in the marketplace while at the same time dismantling the CWB. Two ag. policies one party.

Can someone please explain why some farmers in this country get special status and protection from the (free)market under the Conservatives? Why the double standard?

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Can chuckchuck explain why some farmers get special status from the talons of the CWB, like those outside the designated area, like organic growers, like seed growers, like...? No, didn't think you could explain the double standards.

[chuckChuck]

Checking. As of 2012 any real or percieved inequities in the CWB disappear. But the double standard supported by the Cons and perhaps you, will continue to exist. Any thoughts beyond trying to deflect the question or are you just going to revert back to CWB issue to avoid the obvious?

[FarmRanger]

The double standard was not created by the
Conservatives.
We did indeed have a priviledged supply
management sector (who voted more than 2 to 1
for this system). At the same time designated
area grain farmers are <b>forced</b> to
exchange substandard marketing services and
below market prices for their wheat and barley.

Finally we have a government willing to correct
the injustice of the 2nd part.

[checking]

Chuckchuck, your x and y farmers are not operating in the same businesses. Two different ag businesses can and likely should have two different ag policies. (You might just as well be debating that a fish will make the same use of a bicycle as you will.)

If you can provide me with a x farm business location in Canada where supply management protection doesn't equally apply, I'll concede the point that Canada operates with a double standard in dairy and poultry. Those things do still exist in my y business.

I would never give up the chance to make a killing in my operation over that of some cost of production formula protection. Would you?

[chuckChuck]

Doesn't matter who started supply management. Doesn't matter that the products are different. Cons policy is clear, they support intervening to protect some farmers from cheap imports while others are left to take world prices.

So all you farmers who vote Con, don't like marketing boards, support deregulation, and want government out of agriculture, have supported a government that is willing to unfairly support some farmers more than others and impose socialist market intervetion policies in favour of some farmers. How is that a fair policy for farmers?

We all produce for the domestic market to some degree. So all the "freedom" rhetoric about the CWB apparently doesn't apply in vote rich rural Ontario when it comes to supply managed marketing boards.

It is a double standard and I am surprised by all the skating around the issue. Face the facts, the Cons treat some farmers better than others.

[bucket]

I have never seen a jug of milk or unfrozen chicken parts remain on store shelf for 2 months let alone two years.

You people that don't understand the difference between grain (that can be stored) and supply management ( that can't be stored) should think for awhile before talking.

That is a real food safety issue, which is why supply management is not on the table.

[Fransisco]

Have you ever run the numbers on what it would cost to buy back every litre of dairy cow quota? That would be one very, very big cheque.

Besides which how many supply managed farmers are calling for change? If its not 'none' it's as close to it as you can get.

[gregpet]

chuck, were you complaining about the Liberals double standard since the CWB only oppressed western Canadian farmers while eastern Canadian farmers enjoyed a free and higher priced open market?

[TOM4CWB]

cHUCKcHUCK;

THE Conservative policy on ending the CWB 'single buying desk' and the support for supply management was established by grassroots Conservatives at the first AGM in Montreal.

Pure and simple grass roots Democracy at work. Had you been there (In Montreal)... or even read the Conservative Party of Canada policy avaliable for anyone to see on the internet... you would know this is not a PM Harper or Minister Ritz or CWB Secretary Anderson's decision.

You had every opportunity to join the Conserative Party of Canada... and put forward a suggestion to change this policy. I did not see you in Ottawa 2 weeks ago... there is overall very GOOD support in our membership for both of these; support for supply management and CWB voluntary marketing policies.

Grassroots democracy at work.

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Chuckchuck.

Please, I'd like "to be left to take world price" on my durum.

Your twist on this is that the Conservative government is about to take this protection away, and that is bad as it is a double standard. I don't see it as bad for my bank balance. I'd suggest that by doing so it would help to take some farmers off government assistance, or as you have indicated "some inadequate safety nets".

And you're hung up on "How is that a fair policy for farmers?" Yipes!

[furrowtickler]

Bucket - you nailed the simplist point of all on supply management. That and the fact that it is almost impossible to manage grain supply due to weather. Simpltons just don't get it at all.

[chuckChuck]

I am surprised by all the Cons who support government intervention in the agricultural marketplace. Grassroots driven or not. We can just as easily let American dairy farmers and poultry producers supply our market at a lower cost.

What is wrong with letting the market decide who is the lowest cost producer? Obviously those who support supply management and ending the CWB monopoly are inconsistent in their philosophy and arguments. Must be uncomfortable trying to defend supply management while spouting free market ideology about the CWB.

We all know the only reason the Cons support supply mangement is for political reasons. So if you truly believe in a freemarket then don't bother trying to defend supply mangement because you are wasting your time.