Take my ball and go home: CWB style

[jdepape]

Why are the CWB’s hands tied until the appointed directors are gone?

Elevator companies will buy as they buy canola, flax, lentils or peas.

How does taking only one grain at an elevator tie up less money?

Quality assurance is the CGC’s job. How will restricting exports to only “accredited line companies” assure quality?

How is wheat quality for end use “a lot different than canola, lentils or peas”? What is so mystical about it that your are comfortable with the CWB selling wheat but not a grain company?

[agstar77]

There will be a downgrade of consistency of export wheat jut because of the splintering of the wheat pool. You can argue all you want that nothing will change, but if you look at the U.S. system quality and consistentcy is not job 1. We will lose overall but some will gain.

[charliep]

I need someone to work me through the mechanics of grading grain today and 2012/13.

Today - A farmer dumps wheat into the pit and is assigned a grade/protein and paid an initial payment. If they are disatisfied with the grade, there are processes of appeal with CGC or the ability to deliver the next load to another elevator/buyer.

Farmers wheat is dumped into one of silos and is blended with their neighbors. Sampling is done on loading rail cars. I suspect the CWB monitors to make sure the blended wheat comes close to matching up with the volumes, grades and proteins that were delivered to them. They also use this information to know what they have for sale and allow more blending in Vancouver/port to meet actual sales commitments. More sampling Vancouver but this time for matching wheat inventories with customers.

What will change in the new world on the grading side? Inventory management and ownership are different issues.

[bucket]

The real losers will be the ones that have grown fusarium wheat and the cwb has bumped their grade then blended it off with the high quality wheat.

If you are growing high quality wheat, you will be better off.

Maybe the guys that grow shit grain will be crying over the loss of the cwb but tough shit, my farm can't continue to subsidize the fusarium program.

[charliep]

Perhaps to highlight, the CWB is interesting in grading for monitoring purposes/knowing what they have for sale but they are not actively involved in the process - key groups here are the CGC and grain companies. Know about the labs in Saskatoon but again, this has a different purpose around intelligence of what is the elevator system.

[jdepape]

Agstar:

When the CWB satisfies a sale of #3 Red partially with #2 Red - or even #1 Red, how does that contribute to "consistent" quality?

Or when they make a sale of "WCW" (Western Canadian Wheat) with no grades attached? What is expected? What is shipped? What is consistent?

[charliep]

Stuff I should know but does a CGC certificate final on an export sale need a grade assigned to it today? What happens if it is not handled in the traditional grading sense (Western Canadian wheat for ________) but rather a contract specification?

A few ago in the Ukraine but had a look at a CGC document with a grade/basic information but the main contract was around an SGS document which went into more details about the wheat being delivered relative to the terms in the actual contract.

[charliep]

CGC definition certificate final.

English term: Certificate Final

English definition: issued by the CGC for each cargo of export grain; the Certificate Final stipulates the grade and weight of the grain loaded on a vessel (Official Grain Grading Guide)

[chuckChuck]

Why would any grain company be interested in the survival of the CWB in any form? If you want to maximize returns for shareholders fewer players means less competition. After Aug 1, 2012 we will have an open market. It doesn't matter wether the CWB is around in some form or not because it will not be able to function as a strong player or provide any significant benefits.

The reality is there are two classes of farmers in this country. One class has the protection of supply management, import controls, cost of production under supply management for dairy and poultry. The rest have no protection except some inadequate safety nets.

The Conservatives are supporting the dairy and poultry marketing boards and all their protection, interfering in the marketplace while at the same time dismantling the CWB. Two ag. policies one party.

Can someone please explain why some farmers in this country get special status and protection from the (free)market under the Conservatives? Why the double standard?

[checking]

Can chuckchuck explain why some farmers get special status from the talons of the CWB, like those outside the designated area, like organic growers, like seed growers, like...? No, didn't think you could explain the double standards.

[chuckChuck]

Checking. As of 2012 any real or percieved inequities in the CWB disappear. But the double standard supported by the Cons and perhaps you, will continue to exist. Any thoughts beyond trying to deflect the question or are you just going to revert back to CWB issue to avoid the obvious?

[FarmRanger]

The double standard was not created by the
Conservatives.
We did indeed have a priviledged supply
management sector (who voted more than 2 to 1
for this system). At the same time designated
area grain farmers are <b>forced</b> to
exchange substandard marketing services and
below market prices for their wheat and barley.

Finally we have a government willing to correct
the injustice of the 2nd part.