Take my ball and go home: CWB style

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Chuckchuck, your x and y farmers are not operating in the same businesses. Two different ag businesses can and likely should have two different ag policies. (You might just as well be debating that a fish will make the same use of a bicycle as you will.)

If you can provide me with a x farm business location in Canada where supply management protection doesn't equally apply, I'll concede the point that Canada operates with a double standard in dairy and poultry. Those things do still exist in my y business.

I would never give up the chance to make a killing in my operation over that of some cost of production formula protection. Would you?

[chuckChuck]

Doesn't matter who started supply management. Doesn't matter that the products are different. Cons policy is clear, they support intervening to protect some farmers from cheap imports while others are left to take world prices.

So all you farmers who vote Con, don't like marketing boards, support deregulation, and want government out of agriculture, have supported a government that is willing to unfairly support some farmers more than others and impose socialist market intervetion policies in favour of some farmers. How is that a fair policy for farmers?

We all produce for the domestic market to some degree. So all the "freedom" rhetoric about the CWB apparently doesn't apply in vote rich rural Ontario when it comes to supply managed marketing boards.

It is a double standard and I am surprised by all the skating around the issue. Face the facts, the Cons treat some farmers better than others.

[bucket]

I have never seen a jug of milk or unfrozen chicken parts remain on store shelf for 2 months let alone two years.

You people that don't understand the difference between grain (that can be stored) and supply management ( that can't be stored) should think for awhile before talking.

That is a real food safety issue, which is why supply management is not on the table.

[Fransisco]

Have you ever run the numbers on what it would cost to buy back every litre of dairy cow quota? That would be one very, very big cheque.

Besides which how many supply managed farmers are calling for change? If its not 'none' it's as close to it as you can get.

[gregpet]

chuck, were you complaining about the Liberals double standard since the CWB only oppressed western Canadian farmers while eastern Canadian farmers enjoyed a free and higher priced open market?

[TOM4CWB]

cHUCKcHUCK;

THE Conservative policy on ending the CWB 'single buying desk' and the support for supply management was established by grassroots Conservatives at the first AGM in Montreal.

Pure and simple grass roots Democracy at work. Had you been there (In Montreal)... or even read the Conservative Party of Canada policy avaliable for anyone to see on the internet... you would know this is not a PM Harper or Minister Ritz or CWB Secretary Anderson's decision.

You had every opportunity to join the Conserative Party of Canada... and put forward a suggestion to change this policy. I did not see you in Ottawa 2 weeks ago... there is overall very GOOD support in our membership for both of these; support for supply management and CWB voluntary marketing policies.

Grassroots democracy at work.

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Chuckchuck.

Please, I'd like "to be left to take world price" on my durum.

Your twist on this is that the Conservative government is about to take this protection away, and that is bad as it is a double standard. I don't see it as bad for my bank balance. I'd suggest that by doing so it would help to take some farmers off government assistance, or as you have indicated "some inadequate safety nets".

And you're hung up on "How is that a fair policy for farmers?" Yipes!

[furrowtickler]

Bucket - you nailed the simplist point of all on supply management. That and the fact that it is almost impossible to manage grain supply due to weather. Simpltons just don't get it at all.

[chuckChuck]

I am surprised by all the Cons who support government intervention in the agricultural marketplace. Grassroots driven or not. We can just as easily let American dairy farmers and poultry producers supply our market at a lower cost.

What is wrong with letting the market decide who is the lowest cost producer? Obviously those who support supply management and ending the CWB monopoly are inconsistent in their philosophy and arguments. Must be uncomfortable trying to defend supply management while spouting free market ideology about the CWB.

We all know the only reason the Cons support supply mangement is for political reasons. So if you truly believe in a freemarket then don't bother trying to defend supply mangement because you are wasting your time.

[chuckChuck]

Bucket, your arguments about food safety and the limited shelf life of dairy products being the reason why supply management is not on the table is quite funny. How then do they address the food safety issue in the US without supply management? Better find a better argument than that!

[bucket]

Good point chuckchuck.

Now can you find one to support the cwb.

It works both ways, right?

With Canada being a smaller population and the distance from these facilties, it seems to make sense.

Besides the conservatives have said that supply management is not on the table. You can fear monger all you want.

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Chuckchuck.

Are you speaking for the Canadian Dairy, Poultry and Egg Farmers of Canada?

www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2011/07/c3637.html?view=print

In a joint release June 07/11 they applaud support for Supply Management in Speech from the Throne June 03/11.

I doubt that they all are Cons. Further, it is not my business to say that these farm sectors are wrong considering I'm not part of their organizations.

I do have skin in the growing of cereals, and it is my duty to ask the Conservative government to intervene in an agricultural marketplace that I consider to be rotten to the core with their "special status", and "special deals" for select farmers. You know, perhaps people like you. What's your angle?