the tribe has spoken

[bucket]

Integrity farmer

The last cwb vote was a rigged vote and here is why.

My dad died in January 2010 and hadn't had a permit book for quite some time.

So why did a vote come to "the estate of ....."???

If happened there, I am quite sure it happened quite a few times. And remember, in federal democatic elections - estates don't vote.

Think about it.

The directors won't even discuss how that happened. The election co-ordinator can't be blamed as MNP got the list from the cwb.

And on another note, the cwb asking price for durum at the lakehead is 18 dollars a bushel. The best the pro is at is 12.00. How do you justify a 6.00 dollar spread when there has been no new crop sales at anything under 18.00.
Then the question becomes, how much can the cwb commit to sales without having contracts with farmers in place?

That is where Oberg should be putting his efforts not grandstanding.

[bucket]

And the last director election, I don't remember Oberg talking about boats or other assets or spending farmers money, yet now its ok because they were elected.

So, Ritz was elected and I knew they wanted a change at the cwb. That's why I voted for the conservatives.

[charliep]

I would watch for the results of the CWB annual producer (likely to be released this
week). Results in the past in a 3 part question have been 30 to 35 % single desk
only, 15 to 20 % open market only and 50 % who would like the opportunity to
market in an open market with the CWB a choice. You can look at all the CWB
producer surveys over the past 5 years and the results have been consistent. Ask
the question that as a either single or open market and the results change.

In both the above, you have to layer in demographics about size, age of operator,
business structure, other enterprises, etc.

The CWB has done a lot of things to change. What the CWB has not got their around
is allowing competition for the products and services they offer in the farm
community. I suspect this is what farmers want in the 50 % category that request
alternatives outside the wheat board consistently in every survey the CWB has done.
But maybe the single desk only supporters can argue differently. Their arguement
the CWB will die the next day after an open has been introducecd hasn't found full
traction either among many farmers who wanting to see change. Just my take.

There was a second survey done this spring by Probit outside the normal annual
producer (bi annual by the way - a version is done in the fall). Would be interesting
to know questions and results of this survey.

[URL="http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/farmers/surveys/producer/"]surveys[/URL]

<a href="http://www.probit.ca/">probit</a>

[Integrity_Farmer]

Why are you guys scared of a plebiscite?

You know Ritz and Co. will rig it in your favor.

[FarmRanger]

Fransisco has it right, the only fair way is to let
everybody decide for themselves.

The problem with a plebiscite is where do you
draw the line for the mandate to force everyone
into the system?
Is 50% of the vote representing 10% of
production enough? Definitely not.

How about 80% of the vote representing 50% of
production? Better, but should not the
overwhelming majority of production be on side if
you are going to justify trampling farmer's
property rights?

Why doesn't the CWB start signing people up
now for next year to try to secure supply? The
fact that they are giving up now, without even
trying indicates that they know they haven't been
providing us with competitive pricing . An open
market will make that fact glaringly obvious in the
future if we have more than one buyer to
compare them to.

[Fransisco]

Why are you mono's afraid of competing in an open market? Because you know the wheat board can't actually get better prices.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Comparing an office building to grain companies that have unlimited resources?

That is a fair comparison?

How is an office building going to accept grain?

[gregpet]

Do you just choose to not understand that grain companies will compete to try to market CWB grains in an open market since they make money handling grain? Yes an office can market grain very well if they choose. Its obvious the CWB does not want to even try since they are so incompetent.

[vvalk]

ntergrity. listen to yourself. read your last post. Why is the CWB so great then if they are only an office building? What makes confiscating farmers garin the difference?

[FarmRanger]

<i>”Comparing an office building to grain companies that have unlimited resources?”</i>

Grain companies have resources, capital and otherwise, that they've accumulated by doing the business of shipping CWB and non-board commodities. They may have more resources than they otherwise might have without the guaranteed handling charges from board grains, but they are certainly not “unlimited”. In fact it looks like the CWB resources may be closer to “unlimited” if they can throw away tens of millions of our dollars in “discretionary trading”.

<i>“That is a fair comparison?” </i>

YES, except the unlimited resources part

<i>“How is an office building going to accept grain?”</i>

We have discussed on Agri-ville before about the money made by grain companies on CWB grains being more than open market commodities, and I've never heard anyone refute it (or even try).
Why wouldn't a grain company want to continue this relationship where they simply charge the CWB their guaranteed handling charges which are more than what they can make on non-board grains? In fact they may actually charge less afterward, trying to compete with other grain companies for CWB business. An added advantage for them is that since they are such excellent premium price achievers, they should be able to easily out-perform any pricing that grain companies may offer to farmers, especially since the grain company would make less money from handling the grain that way anyway.

The “price premium achieving CWB” is the story we've been told, but now they are telling us that they would be out of business if we aren't forced to offer them grain. Why wouldn't everyone want to contract with the CWB if the alternative is to be selling for the lower open market price offered by grain companies?

Reality doesn't square with the narrative we've been told for far too long already, and as farmer have access to more information than ever before in history, we are finally beginning to learn the truth. The CWB knows full well that they don't offer prairie farmers anything other than a poor price with deductions for their CWB wages and benefits taken out first.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Man it would be a challenge trying to buy equipment from you guys.

"Son of a bitch you confiscated my tractor."

"No, I bought it from you."

"**** YOU GET OFF MY PROPERTY YOU COMMIE."

[gregpet]

Can't answer the questions or respond to the actual comments I f? Good comeback, for a ten year old.