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    When is a plebiscite not a plebiscite?

    When it’s a survey.

    Unless you’re living under a rock, you’ve heard the arguments almost every day – the CWB Act requires a producer vote to make any changes to the CWB and not allowing farmers to vote in a plebiscite is taking away their democratic rights.

    Take a close look at Section 47.1 of the Act:

    Minister’s obligation

    47.1 The Minister shall not cause to be introduced in Parliament a bill that would exclude any kind, type, class or grade of wheat or barley, or wheat or barley produced in any area in Canada, from the provisions of Part IV, either in whole or in part, or generally, or for any period, or that would extend the application of Part III or Part IV or both Parts III and IV to any other grain, unless

    (a) the Minister has consulted with the board about the exclusion or extension; and
    (b) the producers of the grain have voted in favour of the exclusion or extension, the voting process having been determined by the Minister.

    This says that if the Minister wanted to exclude any grain from the control of the CWB, there are things he must legally do, including provide a vote for producers.

    The CWB and its friends keep harping on this “requirement” for a vote. But they’re either misinformed or misleading. The Minister has made it clear; he is not excluding anything from the Act, he is not making a change to the Act, he is shutting down the Act completely. This is what governments do from time to time; they change the law. Nothing in the Act can supersede the government’s authority to change the law.

    Let’s be clear; this “plebiscite” is nothing more than a survey. Not only is it not required, it doesn’t even comply with the Act that it’s relying on; according to Section 47.1 of the Act, the voting process has to be determined by the Minister. You can be certain that he is not determining anything here except that this plebiscite is irrelevant.

    Besides that, there are some serious problems with the CWB’s own plebiscite:

    1. The voter’s list will be defined by the CWB. Even with the CWB elections, the voters list is fraught with problems. This one will be no different. If you’re not a CWB supporter, you may not even be on the list.

    2. The CWB has said it will be a vote of wheat and barley producers only. All crops suffer from the single desk, and therefore, if you must have a vote, all producers should have a voice – not just wheat and barley producers. If you don’t support the CWB and show it by what you choose to grow, there’s a good chance you’re not on the list.

    3. The questions presented by the CWB do not even contemplate a role for a voluntary CWB. The CWB’s own surveys over the years have shown that many, many producers believe there is a role for a voluntary CWB. Excluding this option disenfranchises all those farmers that would look forward to a voluntary CWB. Because some of the board members don’t believe in a voluntary CWB, those producers that do, don’t get a voice.

    Fundamentally, the whole idea is counter intuitive. What the CWB is saying is the majority of farmers should decide for everyone. Even if 90% of farmers want the single desk, it makes no sense that they should dictate how the other 10% manage their affairs.

    Bottom line: the CWB’s “plebiscite” is nothing more than a survey, is not binding and fraught with bias. It is a complete and utter waste of time and money.

    If you like what Minister Ritz is doing, if you are looking forward to the open market – with or without a voluntary CWB – then show your support of an open market by NOT voting in the CWB “plebiscite” (survey). In the infamous words of Allen Oberg, “Why bother?”

    The most powerful statement a producer can make is to say nothing at all.

    John De Pape
    The CWB Monitor
    www.cwbmonitor.blogspot.com

    #2
    Its been happening for a long time. How do you think they come with the numbers of their overwhelming support. Far too many could care less to vote or have anything to do with it.

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      #3
      That sounds like the federal election turnout Jdgreen. Cons only got 40% of the vote but they act as if they are the next coming of christ.

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        #4
        Oh ya and only 60% of eligible voters did their civic duty

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          #5
          almost as good as your pal Stewie getting in on the third ballot by the hair on his head. A federal election was held the conservatives won their majority. Instead of whining on here you should of rounded up your socialist pals to vote.

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            #6
            What percent of the vote did the NDP get?

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              #7
              What percent of the vote did the liberals get?

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                #8
                Are they the same party or not?

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                  #9
                  Grow up man

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                    #10
                    silver were you looking in the mirror when you said that?

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                      #11
                      Early in his career Churchill believed that 'liberalism' strived to feed the poor, while socialism strived to break the rich.
                      True socialism cannot be defended by any rational person who's ever been out of his house.
                      Nothing's perfect but I can still hope for the day when I hear the loud POP! coming from the East when enough ears leave their asses!

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                        #12
                        jdepape.
                        Is advising doing nothing the only action?
                        Can we not at least keep up the pressure on our MPs?

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                          #13
                          Blackpowder,

                          I agree totally with talking with our MP's... newspapers and media... communication of how the grain growers need commercial market based signals to best create value and prosperity for our local communities.

                          Sadly the CWB intentionally recinds property rights for the individual... to assure they exist to control that wealth for themselves. Socialism at its 'worst'... destroying assets of those they claim to serve.

                          Without the freedom to choose ... the prosperity of humanity will we lose.

                          The CWB can not create wealth... only the western Canadian grain grower's and industry's work and dedication to quality and integrety... creates value.

                          We can communicate without the CWB smiling... and pointing their single desk buyers 'gun' at us while we work!

                          John... I agree... the CWB has truly become a giant waste of time and money... by their own choice.

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                            #14
                            Blackpowder:

                            "Is advising doing nothing the only action?"

                            Sorry to mislead - I'm just saying that when it
                            comes to the CWB's plebiscite (survey), "don't
                            bother" voting because it's irrelevant.

                            "Can we not at least keep up the pressure on our
                            MPs?"

                            Absolutely. As well - spread the word about how
                            good the open market will be to everyone who
                            will listen. Apparently some need convincing.

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                              #15
                              Remember that movie braveheart when the those
                              filthy scots had to "pool" their women on wedding
                              night with their english masters and then they got
                              so pissed off they killed all of them,man fiction is is
                              funny,it is fiction right?I really wont kill you if you
                              take another 100 grand from me right?

                              "treat me good i'll treat you better,treat me bad i'll
                              treat you worse"

                              -hell angels motto

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